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{Resolved-Yes!} Can Front and Falcon Wing Doors (FWD) be open simultaneously?

It seems Bonnie's explanation may be a clarification of what the DS indicated. Not so much the doors can be damaged, but your fingers may be. The doors are automatic opening---not a person pulling of pushing. That would be indicative of need for caution, especially for children. They will naturally be intrigued by the FWD (way cool), parents beware. Whether or not there is a exact arc point may be hard to determine. Like an auto closing tail gate. Be aware of little fingers.
 
Many thanks are due to Bonnie for sure. Obviously I have no beef with her, I seriously doubt she has one with me. I would point out that Bonnie got her delivery a full week before I did, and things may have changed since then. Its entirely possible Kiersten (sp?) was misinformed. She is not a delivery specialist however, but rather the person in charge of them. Its unlikely I misunderstood Kiersten because there was a back and forth on the topic and words like "don't worry, we will fix it if you happen to make this mistake" are easily imprinted in the minds of an owner and former investor. It was a very odd moment, because she chose to use the bulk of her "hey this is a great moment" time to harp on this one thing, so I filed it away as super odd. There were 20+ TSLA people there on a sunday to deliver 2 cars afterhours.


Thank you Bonnie.
@jmwang, either the DS you quoted (below) was incorrect, or you misunderstood her. I don't know which is the case since I wasn't there. Since the X is new it is entirely possible that some Tesla employees are inadvertently spreading inaccurate information. But when I first read your post I never believed for a second that it could be true. There is no way that Tesla could spend years designing the X, spend tremendous resources to develop the Falcon Wing doors and the powered front doors, finalize the metal stamping dies and door components, and then end up with a car in production where the door edges could hit each other if they were used simultaneously.
 
Seems like consensus on both doors opening at the same time, what about closing.

Seems highly suspect that 2 different DS's in different geographical locations made the same statement about possible damage to the car.

only way to prove one way or another is an official statement from Tesla or somebody trying it on their X.

i suggest the former
 

bonnie

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Seems like consensus on both doors opening at the same time, what about closing.

Seems highly suspect that 2 different DS's in different geographical locations made the same statement about possible damage to the car.

only way to prove one way or another is an official statement from Tesla or somebody trying it on their X.

i suggest the former

I've tried it, I've also had it confirmed by someone at Tesla.

Okay. BEFORE I tried it, I had it confirmed by someone at Tesla who would know (I'm not an idiot :) ). The doors do not cross paths.
 

ecarfan

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Can Front and Falcon Wing Doors (FWD) be open simultaneously?

It seems Bonnie's explanation may be a clarification of what the DS indicated. Not so much the doors can be damaged, but your fingers may be. The doors are automatic opening---not a person pulling of pushing. That would be indicative of need for caution, especially for children... Be aware of little fingers.
Yes, as one always should be around every car ever made. I do not see how the X is significantly different in this regard, except that it's door sensors mean that accidents are less likely to occur, not more likely.
I would like to emphasize that the OP was very clear that the issue conveyed to him by the Tesla employee was that the doors could impact each other while operating at the same time, not that fingers could be pinched between the doors. Those are two very different things.
 
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ecarfan

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There were 20+ TSLA people there on a sunday to deliver 2 cars afterhours.
Just want to confirm: you are saying that when you took delivery of your new X on a Sunday that there were 20 Tesla employees present and only two new X's were being delivered that day?
In any case I am glad that you are now in possession of the X that you have waited so long for, and I hope that you will post your driving impressions of it.
 

hobbes

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A bit off topic, but related to jmwang´s claims - I posted the issue of pressing close button of FWDs when they are already closed to the FAQ, and got he answer:

[QUOTE Model X FAQ (wiki)Q: What happens when pressing a FWD's close button when it is already closed? [disproving a rumor]
A: Nothing. The only way to attempt to do that is from the 2nd row button on the pillar - and it beeps and does nothing. (What did people think would happen??)[/QUOTE]

Also, bonnie says that she answered my other question there about the FWDs and front doors opening in parallel, and someone else overwrote her reply.
 
I've tried it, I've also had it confirmed by someone at Tesla.

Okay. BEFORE I tried it, I had it confirmed by someone at Tesla who would know (I'm not an idiot :) ). The doors do not cross paths.
I can add further confirmation to what Bonnie has said. I got my car back today and tested every possible way for the doors to collide. I paused the doors at different points to see if I get them to touch. I could not. It was close, but they do not touch. See the following photos for the closest I could make them come together.
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Hobbes- I saw that, thank you.
Honestly somewhat of a relief.
That is almost certainly right. I agree with the " how could the behavior be any different?" line of thought.
I haven't really tried to replicate but my best guess is that I was indeed holding down "open" rather than "close" (honestly I wasn't paying attention just trying to figure out how it worked). Whatever I was doing, my doors opened an inch, closed, made a whirring sound, then a really nasty cracking/snapping sound which was alarming.
I've since found out the "right" thing to is to hold down open until they crack open, then press open again until you get to desired height. I am not quite sure how to replicate the noise, and really no interest in finding out with my car.
A bit off topic, but related to jmwang´s claims - I posted the issue of pressing close button of FWDs when they are already closed to the FAQ, and got he answer:

[QUOTE Model X FAQ (wiki)Q: What happens when pressing a FWD's close button when it is already closed? [disproving a rumor]
A: Nothing. The only way to attempt to do that is from the 2nd row button on the pillar - and it beeps and does nothing. (What did people think would happen??)

Also, bonnie says that she answered my other question there about the FWDs and front doors opening in parallel, and someone else overwrote her reply.[/QUOTE]

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Thank you Ecarfan-
yes 20ish Tesla people around to deliver 2 cars. Every attempt to make it special, except maybe the red bows.

The car is out of my hands day to day, as it belongs to my wife. I'm not a really a car person, just trying to help the future get here a little faster! That said, it does feel like the future, its a great ride, and we love driving/being IN the car. We both prefer it to my early S. I could see downgrading to 19's for a softer passenger ride and wish the 2nd row could give some space to the 3rd row.
What we don't like is the getting in and out of the car, and the guesswork with how things work. Its quite possible that our car has some unique issues and most of the rest get resolved through firmware.

Just want to confirm: you are saying that when you took delivery of your new X on a Sunday that there were 20 Tesla employees present and only two new X's were being delivered that day?
In any case I am glad that you are now in possession of the X that you have waited so long for, and I hope that you will post your driving impressions of it.
 

bonnie

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we need DS's around the country to stop telling people damage will occur. If it's incorrect why does Tesla continue to say it will cause damage?

"Tesla" does not continue to say it will cause damage. A delivery specialist (or a few, likely trained by one with incorrect info) has said that. The manual does not caution against that. There is no warning about doors colliding. If the doors collided, it would be IN writing in the manual. It would likely be a software lockout. I was not told that by my delivery specialist. I have confirmed both with my own vehicle AND with Tesla engineering that the doors do NOT collide. I don't know why we keep debating this. I believe some delivery specialist has said it. It doesn't mean 'Tesla is continuing to say it'.

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I give up. For the record, MY doors do not collide. YMMV.
 

dirkhh

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I heard on the internet that if you press open and close on the Falcon Wing Door in rapid succession, they can flap so hard that the car could lift up.
A DS that a friend of mine asked when a neighbor of his uncle took delivery of their Sig X didn't disagree.

Please discuss this rumor.

Bonnie, please test and talk to your contacts at Tesla to confirm that this is not a real risk. My children could be injured if the Model X with them inside took flight.
 
"Tesla" does not continue to say it will cause damage. A delivery specialist (or a few, likely trained by one with incorrect info) has said that. The manual does not caution against that. There is no warning about doors colliding. If the doors collided, it would be IN writing in the manual. It would likely be a software lockout. I was not told that by my delivery specialist. I have confirmed both with my own vehicle AND with Tesla engineering that the doors do NOT collide. I don't know why we keep debating this. I believe some delivery specialist has said it. It doesn't mean 'Tesla is continuing to say it'.

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I give up. For the record, MY doors do not collide. YMMV.

just saw and replied to your PM...I will stand down and delete the post

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I heard on the internet that if you press open and close on the Falcon Wing Door in rapid succession, they can flap so hard that the car could lift up.
A DS that a friend of mine asked when a neighbor of his uncle took delivery of their Sig X didn't disagree.

Please discuss this rumor.

Bonnie, please test and talk to your contacts at Tesla to confirm that this is not a real risk. My children could be injured if the Model X with them inside took flight.

BTW it was heard from Tesla and not some random internet rumor. Bonnie clarified for me in a PM who she confirmed with, and as a result I will take that individuals word for it.

But needless to say, on this topic, Tesla needs to get their story straight quickly
 

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