Go back and look at when Mercedes/Audi/Lexus introduce those features. They almost always are incorporated mid-life into a mature platform or into a minor reskin. Products live or die based on risk management. Model S is one of the most ambition projects ever in auto development. Getting the powertrain and chassis dynamics right is where they need to focus.
Go back and look at when Mercedes/Audi/Lexus introduce those features. They almost always are incorporated mid-life into a mature platform or into a minor reskin. Products live or die based on risk management. Model S is one of the most ambition projects ever in auto development. Getting the powertrain and chassis dynamics right is where they need to focus.
jbherman
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I'm not sure that's a fair comparison. Those technologies came out after those cars were designed and being produced. In this case, they existed prior to the Model S. I didn't state or imply that these options should exist at the expense of the more obvious important elements of the car that you mentioned. These pieces are not mutually exclusive. I'm sure there is a wealth of tehnical know-how at Tesla that a team could have put this together. Like I said...I guess we can't have it all! But, we are allowed to want it all!
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I think the point is that Tesla should focus on Model S execution, and THEN, once the platform is stable and mature, they can introduce additional features. Imagine if they rushed all those features in at the beginning and had a crapload of bugs or had to push back delivery? They'll come, but there are far more important things to worry about for now...
...like auto-retracting door handles
...like auto-retracting door handles
I think you just perceive that the technologies came out later. Generally these things are developed by suppliers like Bosch, TRW, Johnson Control, Continental, etc. They are demoed and marketed to car companies for anywhere from 3-10 years before they become commercial. A major car company will spend 2+ years integrating and testing a new feature like that even if it available off the shelf before they start.
Tesla is having no problem meeting sales goals with the options they have. More fluff is just asking for trouble.
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Me also. Don't forget Load leveling and better aerodynamics also. Much more useful than the twin chargers!
GSP
I agree as well. Tesla can not afford to mess the Model S launch or have many recalls. Imagine if Tesla has to delay the launch by 6 months due to problems integrating the active cruise control, blind spot detection, heads up display...etc or has to recall the first 1,000 car due to problems with those systems. I'd guess the number of people not ordering the Model S because it doesn't have one of those features is small compared to the number of people getting the Model S because of what it has with its electric drivetrain.
engle
In 1976 Looking ahead to 2030!
NVidea said in a video posted from CES about the 2 Tegras in every Model S that they are working with Tesla to integrate the Tegra-driven displays with "Driver Safety" features. I also talked to an engineer at the factory visit in October who said adaptive cruise control is being worked on for a future version of the Model S. He said "we have to get all of our core functionality working, first". They have access to all the Mercedes versions of ACC, Blind Spot, Lane Changing Warning, Heads-Up, etc. (Bosch?) since they can use any Benz part they want. If think the hold-up is they have to integrate the existing hardware with their custom display panels. Also, they couldn't afford any bugs causing somebody to rear-end someone if the adaptive cruise control failed, for example. Not in version 1.0 of the product!
P.S. I have all these features in my 2011 E350 Bluetec Sedan, and I will miss some of them (mostly the adaptive cruise control). But the trade-off is worth it to me to never have to visit a gas station again, plus the 0-60 @ 4.4 secs will be a blast at every freeway on ramp! :biggrin:
It's very disappointing to hear that there will be no memory seat functionality, especially when you are paying $70-$100k for a car. Yes, I understand you can't have everything but even cars in the lower price range of under $30k have this feature and it's not new technology. You would think they can incorporate it into the touchscreen operations since it can control just about everything else.
gg_got_a_tesla
Model S: VIN 65513, Model 3: VIN 1913
Seat Memory is available as part of the "Nappa Leather" option; see item 3 in the first post on this thread.
Thanks for the highly informative and detailed information!
The only question he punted on was about the Signature downgrades, which I suspect has been "kicked upstairs".
Looks like I may have to get WiFi at home in order to upload things to the car. (I have hardwired Ethernet at home.)
The only question he punted on was about the Signature downgrades, which I suspect has been "kicked upstairs".
Looks like I may have to get WiFi at home in order to upload things to the car. (I have hardwired Ethernet at home.)
NigelM
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Hellz to the no! Well, maybe for maintenance (i.e. maybe instead of CANBUS), but that's so old-tech from a consumer standpoint.
Zextraterrestrial
S & P(3)
I started to add a wireless router to my home but I was holding the router as it was trying to establish its connection and it made my arm go numb! so I didn't put it in. Even when I set it down I could feel it, not quite like electricity flowing through you but a stranger feeling. No wifi 4 me ;<
NigelM
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I'm just thinking about hard-wired systems and having a cat5 (or e or 6 or wherever your preference lies) in my garage rather than wi-fi.
MitchL
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Wireless access points aren't too expensive these days - my house is mostly hardwired, but if I have wireless issues in the garage I'll just put another AP in there.
Though it might have been cool if Ethernet was plumbed along with the other data wires in the charger cable....
/Mitch.
Though it might have been cool if Ethernet was plumbed along with the other data wires in the charger cable....
/Mitch.
Yeah but... come on... For a $50k+ car, couldn't you get seat memory as standard? It's not like leather is required to chuck that in? </grumpyrant>
Mycroft
Life happens
We still don't know officially if seat position memory isn't standard, but at least you have quite a bit of warning that it might not be. I certainly wouldn't buy a car with electrically adjusted seats without memory unless I was going to be the only driver.
Doug_G
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Uh, that seems impossible. You sure you weren't being electrocuted or something? There's no way a wireless router puts out anywhere near enough RF energy to do something like that.
