Not every user values the same aspects of the user experience the same as you do.
LFP better fire safety and likely greater longevity is of value to some users, even though it may not be of value to you.
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Reuters: "Tesla readies revamped Model 3 with project 'Highland' -sources" [projected 3rd quarter 2023]
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LFP better fire safety and likely greater longevity is of value to some users, even though it may not be of value to you.
LFP is much lower energy density. You end up with much smaller battery.
LFP is cheaper, more durable and safer. It's also uses extremely abundant and cheap iron, rather than cobalt, nickel and aluminum.
But you get less range, and less power, so slower fast charging, and less performance.
It's trade-off, but not to a short range, slow charging, slug.
I agree that it is extremely important.....a battery fire might be only one in a million but for a car intended to be your mass market entry level...that could be a lot of cars. The reduced pollution and use of exotic materials is also significant at scale
Two weeks?
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Source Confirms Tesla Plans to Begin Project Highland Production in June, Despite Denials from China
Speculations run wild about Tesla Model 3 Highland production, with rumors suggesting a June start. Explore what to expect from the highly anticipated refresh.
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Makes perfect sense. They will do a trail run in Shanghi for x amount of cars, which will probably take month. After that July 1 - sept 1 they would need to build enough M3 to export to Europe and arrive (its 26-31 days depending on north or south EU + ground transport) end of sept, early oct.Two weeks?
Source Confirms Tesla Plans to Begin Project Highland Production in June, Despite Denials from China
Speculations run wild about Tesla Model 3 Highland production, with rumors suggesting a June start. Explore what to expect from the highly anticipated refresh.
Tesla strangely denies rumors that new Model 3 is going to be produced in China
Tesla has strangely denied rumors that a new Model 3 refresh will be produced at Gigafactory Shanghai in China next...
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Tesla rejects model 3 new model claims.
China is the most important market at this point for the model 3. Sorry guys. The new model 3 is all about China where things are very competitive.
I imagine Tesla will hold off with the facelift until its ready. Sept sounds about right. At which point a new cheaper Model 3 appears. If it sells well the model 3 may disappear from sale in the EU and Asia until they satisfy Chinese demand. China is important because its where Tesla's successful competitors are. Every car Tesla sells in China is one the Chinese brands don't sell. EU will be lucky to get any new model 3 highlanders before DEC..
Personally, I am very happy with my 2023 LR with USS and NMC battery/range.
LFP batteries are getting better, but I don't want any less range than I have currently.
ZenRockGarden
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Tesla strangely denies rumors that new Model 3 is going to be produced in China
Tesla has strangely denied rumors that a new Model 3 refresh will be produced at Gigafactory Shanghai in China next...
Tesla rejects model 3 new model claims.
China is the most important market at this point for the model 3. Sorry guys. The new model 3 is all about China where things are very competitive.
I imagine Tesla will hold off with the facelift until its ready. Sept sounds about right. At which point a new cheaper Model 3 appears. If it sells well the model 3 may disappear from sale in the EU and Asia until they satisfy Chinese demand. China is important because its where Tesla's successful competitors are. Every car Tesla sells in China is one the Chinese brands don't sell. EU will be lucky to get any new model 3 highlanders before DEC..
Personally, I am very happy with my 2023 LR with USS and NMC battery/range.
LFP batteries are getting better, but I don't want any less range than I have currently.
The revised M3LR battery isn't LFP - it's just LG's cells vs the slightly better Panasonic ones.
LFP gives a ~20% to 30% range hit, and is used in SR models.
Although the LG NMC cells may be the most likely possibility, note that LMFP and other L-something-P cells could have higher energy density than LFP cells.
Tesla strangely denies rumors that new Model 3 is going to be produced in China
Tesla has strangely denied rumors that a new Model 3 refresh will be produced at Gigafactory Shanghai in China next...
Tesla rejects model 3 new model claims.
China is the most important market at this point for the model 3. Sorry guys. The new model 3 is all about China where things are very competitive.
I imagine Tesla will hold off with the facelift until its ready. Sept sounds about right. At which point a new cheaper Model 3 appears. If it sells well the model 3 may disappear from sale in the EU and Asia until they satisfy Chinese demand. China is important because its where Tesla's successful competitors are. Every car Tesla sells in China is one the Chinese brands don't sell. EU will be lucky to get any new model 3 highlanders before DEC..
Personally, I am very happy with my 2023 LR with USS and NMC battery/range.
LFP batteries are getting better, but I don't want any less range than I have currently.
100% agreed. and additionally: if Tesla feels like cutting costs and putting LFP into cars... then pass those savings on to the consumer. I see a lot of stuff cut from the Model 3 ... yet the AWD LR still costs $47k...
ZenRockGarden
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pdx_m3s
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Could also be 4680, which are between current 2170s and LFP in terms of energy density. I don't think it's likely, but possible.
If they are using the front and rear castings on the 3 it has to be 4680s. That would be the ultimate in reducing costs since that was the stated plan for Highland.
which also means you cant charge to 100% like LFPs and that argument "less range but at least you can charge to 100% regularly" is out the window as well...
ZenRockGarden
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I don't think they have 4680 cell capacity right now, since they need them for the cyber truck and are already using them in some model Ys.
This really feels like alternate-cheaper-2170-cell-provider to get costs down on the 3 in the short term
The Model Y had the one piece rear casting before any versions got 4680 cells. Given that Munro noticed how unnecessarily complex and expensive the Model 3 rear end likely was to build with something like 70 parts, that seems like an obvious place to reduce cost without any negatives to the user, regardless of what battery goes into the Model 3 with a one piece rear casting.
pdx_m3s
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Better idea is to just redesign the Model 3 BIW so that it can use the Model Y rear casting. They are almost identical cars underneath.
ZenRockGarden
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Although similar and using many of the same components, I don't think the back half of the 3 and the Y are in any way interchangeable.
