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Road taxes instead of gas taxes?

Discussion in 'Off Topic' started by TEG, Aug 4, 2008.

  1. Brent

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    If EVs gain a significant role in transportation, I'd think that toll roads would have to be a bigger part of the mix. The private highway, 91 Express Lanes, built here in SoCal, may well turn out to be a case study in their construction and use. Having private industry build highways could be interesting...and possibly messy, too. Then again, Tokyo's private subway system works quite well, so maybe there's hope.

     
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    Another Taxes question.

    Driving my car to contract jobs I dutifully log all my miles into a book. I recently added up all the miles for a 08 tax write off.

    Is the tax written off for gasoline usage, repairs, wear on the car, all decided by percentages of actual work miles driven?

    What do those with an electric car do? Do they have to eliminate the gas tax mileage for E miles driven?


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  5. EVnut

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    Have to? Heck no. I surely never have. I just take the standard mileage rate even though I take the EV when I need a car. What if I drove a Hummer? Or a Prius? Hmmm. The question is... why can't I take that same credit when I ride my bicycle to job sites?
     
  6. daniel

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    Replying to the thread title "Road taxes instead of gas taxes?" I would advocate both. With gasoline being a limited and rapidly-diminishing resource, I advocate gas taxes to help conserve petroleum reserves, since petroleum is vital in so many industries, not merely transportation, and is probably more easily replaced in transportation than it is in such industries as pharmaceuticals.

    However, we need funding for road maintenance and construction, and as gas runs out and people are forced to adopt other means of transportation, such as electric, revenues from gas taxes will diminish. Thus, while we must tax gas to preserve petroleum, we should not rely on gas tax revenues for something as critical as roads. We therefore need a separate road tax based on road usage. Some sort of tax that takes into account miles driven and the weight of the vehicle, thus representing wear and tear on the roads and occupation of available road space.

    I've been driving an electric Zap Xebra for about two years now, putting more miles on the Xebra than on the stinker. And I'm hoping to be driving a freeway-capable conversion car soon. I would have no objection to paying my fair share of the road tax.
     
  7. SByer

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    How about we just stop subsidizing oil first?
     
  8. daniel

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    That's a good idea, too. But I'd still like to see a hefty tax on it as well. Petroleum is just too valuable to burn.
     
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    http://www.nytimes.com/2012/09/12/business/fuel-efficiency-standards-have-costs-of-their-own.html?_r=1
     
  11. jerry33

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    The thing is that cars and light trucks (even Hummers) do zero damage to the roads (other than taking out a few lamp/utility posts, signs, and guard rails and wearing out the road markings). The majority of road damage is caused by heavy trucks and frost heaving. The heavy trucks don't pay anywhere near their share of the damage they cause so basically light vehicle taxes subsidize the trucking industry (which is why rail doesn't compete in many cases).

    Basically, this is another excuse for a tax grab.
     
  12. vfx

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    Ridiculous assertion.

    Take a 2 mile piece of road.

    On the first half, drive 1 mile, turn around and drive back in a Smart Car. Repeat 10,000 times.

    At the same time do the same thing on the 2nd mile with a Hummer.

    At the end which road will have more "zero damage"?
     
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    Have you done this test? Otherwise, you're just going with gut feel which is a terrible measurement.

    It's all about tolerances. I can rest my 2 ton car on my concrete driveway outside thousands of times with no impact. Park one tank that weighs 10s of tons and it'll crack instantly.
     
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    Yes.


    Yes I have.
     
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    Here's a quote related to actual studies that have been done.

     
  16. jerry33

    jerry33 S85 - VIN:P05130 - 3/2/13

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    And it's far worse than that if the tires on the duals are not of equal pressure (there is a flat for example, or one of the tires has a slow leak) or the truck is overloaded.

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    Because the road was built to take a heavy truck, even if infrequently in the case of city streets, the difference between the Smart car and the Hummer is inconsequential.
     
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    Not the road in my example. ;)
     

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