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Roadster 1.5 Owners Wanting 3.0 Upgrade

Discussion in 'Roadster 2008-2012' started by asgard, Sep 19, 2015.

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  1. bonnie

    bonnie I play a nice person on twitter.

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    Do we know they're not working on anything already for 1.5?
     
  2. Habious

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    As usual, Bonnie, we don't know much of anything. Everyone is just guessing.
     
  3. bonnie

    bonnie I play a nice person on twitter.

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    Carry on. :)
     
  4. ggr

    ggr Expert in Dunning-Kruger Effect!

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    You can add me to the list of people who support 1.5 availability. I hadn't been keeping up with this thread.

    In the meantime the service center just told me my battery should be ready in about two weeks.
     
  5. sethr

    sethr CPO Roadster #1089

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    I think that such a move would be extremely embarrassing for Tesla. Not to mention that some (ggr, at least) are about to get their new batteries....

    That was exactly my intention.
     
  6. PokerBroker

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    Add me to the 1.5 deposit list
     
  7. ecarfan

    ecarfan Well-Known Member

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    We certainly do not know if that is the case but it certainly is possible. Regardless, a public list of 1.5 owners saying "We are ready to buy a 3.0 battery now for our cars" can only help to convince Tesla to a) Decide to do it or b) Work faster [emoji3]
     
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  9. Zak

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    Count me in as a signature, but I won't put down a deposit.

    The lack of communication around this issue doesn't give me confidence. Why should I put up a deposit without any details? I don't know weight, kWh capacity, timing, cost for a 1.5 variant, etc. As soon as it is available, I will buy it. But I won't be placing a deposit.

    My car needs a battery today, and I have been quoted $32K to replace it. It's great that a replacement is available, but why is it more expensive than the higher capacity battery that doesn't require electronics upgrades? The messaging of supporting and being grateful for early customers is not coming through in practice. My hope is that they are overwhelmed with other activities, and will resolve these issues when they come up for air.

    Zak
     
  10. wiztecy

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    #50 wiztecy, Sep 25, 2015
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    Window closed for modifications of post #27 & 37, reposting to edit.
    Latest changelog: + Six, Poker Broker to group 1 & bonnie, djf, dsm363, m0rph to group 2.


    1.5 Owners who would put down a deposit on a battery upgrade
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    1. asgard
    2. Slcasner
    3. ecarfan
    4. dhrivnak
    5. Gary1M
    6. samcarney
    7. josh-io
    8. Cottonwood
    9. spiderguy
    10. BobinFla
    11. Curt
    12. frequencydip
    13. Sparrow
    14. PokerBroker
    15. Six

    Other Roadster owners that support a 1.5 upgrade
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    1. shrink
    2. sethr
    3. gregd
    4. bartj
    5. stevejust
    6. wiztecy
    7. AEdennis
    8. supersnoop
    9. bpangburn
    10. tvuolo
    11. augkuo
    12. pharma5
    13. m0rph
    14. Habious
    15. smorgasbord
    16. ggr
    17. Zak
    18. bonnie
    19. dsm363
    20. djf
     
  11. Zak

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    wiztecy - I would like to make sure my support comes through properly. While I am not going to put down a deposit, I will buy a 3.0 battery immediately if it is made available, and the terms are acceptable (particularly price).

    As it stands now, I am an the category who are not buying, and just supporting. I am a buyer. My car doesn't work today, so there is some pressure to make a decision. But how can I buy the current battery when a better one may be available soon?

    Zak
     
  12. bonnie

    bonnie I play a nice person on twitter.

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    Can't imagine why anyone wouldn't support the 1.5s in this ... you're all the OG and we all owe you. :)


    1.5 Owners who would put down a deposit on a battery upgrade
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    1. asgard
    2. Slcasner
    3. ecarfan
    4. dhrivnak
    5. Gary1M
    6. samcarney
    7. josh-io
    8. Cottonwood
    9. spiderguy
    10. BobinFla
    11. Curt
    12. frequencydip
    13. Sparrow
    14. PokerBroker

    Other Roadster owners that support a 1.5 upgrade
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    1. shrink
    2. sethr
    3. gregd
    4. bartj
    5. stevejust
    6. wiztecy
    7. AEdennis
    8. supersnoop
    9. bpangburn
    10. tvuolo
    11. augkuo
    12. pharma5
    13. m0rph
    14. Habious
    15. smorgasbord
    16. ggr
    17. Zak
    18. bonnie
     
  13. dsm363

    dsm363 Roadster + Sig Model S

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    I'll sign too (2.5 owner)
     
  14. asgard

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    Zak, would you buy one if the terms and the pricing are exactly the same as the 3.0 battery publicly available today to 2.0+ owners?
     
  15. Six

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    I will eventually need a new battery for my 1.5 roadster. So will buy one some day if possible. If the only way an upgraded battery for a 1.5 will be made available is to put down a deposit now, I would do so. So I guess I count as a yes.

    I am am far from convinced that a list of potential buyers will make a difference to Tesla. I think they will do it or not based on their own whims. But since it can not possibly hurt. Sign me up.
     
  16. roadster340

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    I'm also in the position that I will need a new battery in the future and I'd like to get the newer high capacity version. I wouldn't mind putting down a deposit for a future battery upgrade although I is unlikely I would need it for a few years. When I bout the car a little over three years ago Tesla installed a new battery after the previous owner bricked the original battery. I suspect the cost of the 3.0 upgrade would discourage me from jumping in right now but I definitely would be game in the future. So add me to the list of 1.5 owners!!!
     
  17. dhrivnak

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    #57 dhrivnak, Sep 27, 2015
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    Here is my first draft of a letter and I am open to suggestions. Assuming we all write a similar letter who/where would we send it to? If all of us will write something similar then may be can get a response.

    Dear Tesla;
    I am very disappointed that Tesla has not indicated whether the 3.0 battery will ever be made available for Roadster 1.5 owners. While I selfishly would like to see such an upgrade made available for early adopters, I am more worried about a larger potential backlash against Tesla and EV’s in general.

    Over the past 4 ½ years I have taken my Roadster to dozens upon dozens of car shows, I have presented the EV story at environmental conferences, civic groups, and schools; and the #1 question I always receive; is how long will the battery last and what is the cost to replace it. The only "official" answer I have heard from Tesla is a replacement 1.5 battery is $42,000 and with the cells now more than 3 years out of production, there is no clear answer on how such packs can be maintained. Purchasing a $100,000 car is one thing, but paying 40% of its value on a replacement battery in 7-10 years is expensive. My battery has steadily declined losing 12% of capacity and it will not be long before many of my trips will be out of range of the car.

    I understand that there is a lot of work with the Model X launch and there could be some delays, but the lack of communication is very disconcerting and we are losing that Tesla touch that sold so many people early on.

    If the plan is to offer the 3.0 upgrade to 1.5 owners then please tell us. If the concern is lack of volume there are at least fifteen 1.5 owners who have said they are willing to place a deposit for a 3.0 pack now to start development work. Let me know if you want the list of names. If for some reason an upgrade is not in the works or possible, then in the spirit of openness, as in releasing your patents, please allow 1.5 owners to purchase a shop repair manual/DVD so we have a shot of maintaining our own cars.

    Thank you for your time.



    Or if the group wants to sign a petition just let me know how to do that. Thank you
     
  18. supersnoop

    supersnoop Tesla Roadster #334

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    There is no way I'd sign anything like that! To quote myself responding to another one of your off-the-wall posts, "Tesla has not said that they will not build one. All they have said is that the current offering is incompatible with the 1.5 melts chill on the hyperbole." Going so far over the top and making wild accusations does not build good will.
     
  19. Doug_G

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    It's not that far over the top, but it would be better to strive for absolute accuracy: "I am very disappointed that Tesla has not indicated whether the 3.0 battery will ever be made available for Roadster 1.5 owners."

    I think that is a bad tone to take. You want to make a positive message, not to threaten consequences. If you really want to include something like that, might I suggest something more in a tone of disappointment, something along the lines of "I will find it awkward to continue to show my car and promote Tesla".
     
  20. dhrivnak

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    I am open to suggestions but no-one here has received ANY indication that anything for version 1.5 is even being considered. It has been 3 weeks since they have refunded the 1.5 owners who put down a deposit. So their actions to date do not suggest any accommodation. I really hope you are right here but I would have thought if anything was in the works or under consideration we could have heard by now. I am curious on how long you are willing to wait?

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    Smorgasbord, I wonder what will happen to Model S sales if they hear packs are not up-gradable? Right now I am following Tesla's actions not their promises. It seems that even those who want and can upgrade to the 3.0 battery pack are still a ways from getting one.
     

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