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Roadster 3.0

Discussion in 'Roadster' started by DrComputer, Dec 26, 2014.

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  1. WarpedOne

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    Roadster's motor and PEM are aircooled, model 3 motor/PEM must be liquid cooled.
    Unless one finds a way how to retrofit liquid cooling into roadster (or at least beefs up the liquid cooling system of the battery and uses it for the motor/pem also) this ain't happening.
     
  2. dpeilow

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    It would make sense as to why they can't do another production run of a fairly small PCB or refurb existing ones.

    But it also begs the question: What did they design 2 years ago that has already gone obsolete? My understanding is the 3.0 CIC board sets a different voltage range to charge the pack over.
     
  3. JRP3

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    I don't think it would be that hard to plumb a separate cooling loop for the motor/inverter. I remember rumors of a Roadster with a Model S motor installed as a test vehicle for Tesla. Give me the parts and enough time and I could probably do it.
     
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  4. WarpedOne

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    I'm sure its technically possible.
    I'm also sure tesla does not want to invest engineering hours into designing a retrofit plan, testing, refining, educating service personnel etc for maybe 100 cases where this would be needed and done.

    It's a 10 years old discontinued product of a rapidly progressing company fighting for survival. Don't count on them doing it anytime soon (i.e. ever). Even that replacement pack they sold in the beginning (prepayed option!) ended up being poorly engineered (i.e. quick mashup).

    So, now when you offered it on the forum, someone may ask you to do it ;)
     
  5. hjr

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    Basically TM has moved and forgotten us. EM thinks we are suckers/guinea pigs for buying the Roadster. Makes me a bit bitter!

    I had the plug and socket for my cooling fan melt in August and it took TM 4 weeks to replace the board. First they said I need the whole PEM $8,000 .. but after I explained it is just 1 board they relented and replaced just the board. SC Tech said they have a few guys still from the beginning days who are authorized to fix boards and debug Roadster issues, but I believe it was on their own time as a hobby.

    As our cars age we have some power to go public with the issues we are all having (and make people worry their Model 3's won't be supported forever either)… but I think none of us early adopters would want to hurt Tesla in the media. I like the idea of us 1,500+ remaining owners to Twitter EM daily about ignoring its biggest and earliest fans! If they haven't cancelled the new Roadster 4 they should let original Roadster owners trade their cars in against the new one! Give a $70-80k credit and make us all happy.

    Dream on!!!
     
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    2,500 Roadsters vs 400,000+ Model 3s this year alone? Not really the same thing, probably wouldn't have much effect.
     
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    I disagree as now they treat their first generation car will be thought as how they will treat current cars in the future. The Roadster attracts a LOT of attention at car shows and I am sure Tesla would prefer me to say good things.
     
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    Certainly it would be better if they continue to support the vehicle but I think you may be over estimating the influence of a small handful of people who own a rare exotic car.
     
  9. doug

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    Circa 2014 or so it was my understanding Tesla had a bit of a skunkworks doing a bunch of Roadster modifications, including putting a Model S motor/inverter in a Roadster. I chatted with the guy running it. But eventually that group was shut down and the guy left or was fired. It's a shame they never followed through on some of the exciting stuff I heard about. Then again, those things probably never made much business sense for a low volume legacy product.
     
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  10. dpeilow

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    By the way, there is a 3.0 Roadster on eBay right now that if the ideal range mode screen is to be believed, probably has a very low CAC.
     
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    If the 3rd gen SmartED rear suspension could be fitted to the Roadster, plus the rest of the Smarty system stuffed in somehow, the dream could continue . . . :rolleyes:
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  12. m0rph

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    Update: As many here know, I had my motor, PEM and battery replaced for the "BSM: isolation fault". Yesterday I took the car for a little spin, and got the same error again!! Only covered 500km since new parts were installed. I believe now that they replaced € 61000 worth of parts, but failed to identify the root cause in the first place. I have lost all confidence in the local expertise.
     
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  13. chronopublish

    chronopublish 2008 Roadster #VP27

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    Tesla says I need a new battery due to two failing sheets. I asked about the 3.0 battery and was told by Anthony in Pomona that Tesla was working on addressing the range degradation issues with the original packs and is planning to reintroduce it in October.

    Meanwhile my only options are to pay $14k for a re-man pack or wait to see what happens with the 3.0 battery. Seems like the prudent thing to do is decline the repair and wait to see what happens - but it's Tesla so I could be waiting a lot longer.
     
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    That's what I suspected!

    Good to hear. Hope it comes to fruition!
     
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    How much of that have you had to pay?
     
  16. m0rph

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    The invoice was just over € 39k and included the 3.0 upgrade. The lowered price was a compensation because they let my previous battery die over a 7 month period while it was at their service center. Apparently they had an external charger available only 200km away, but they only realized that when it was too late. Good thing is they did put that in an e-mail so I could prove this later. Without this and a good lawyer, there surely was no discount.
     
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    Companies these days focus on planned obsolescence. They do not want people to keep the cars forever and don’t want to maintain those cars. We just need to accept that.

    It is an opportunity, however, for a couple of entrepreneurs to open a Roadster repair shop that focuses on Roadster repairs and upgrades. I’ll bet Tesla would even sell or give certain proprietary information to that business if Tesla could offload repair responsibility of our old Roadsters to a 3rd party.

    Anyone have the expertise and a hundred thousand to get started?
     
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  18. TEG

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    ^^^ I am aware of some effort to have a 3rd party shop to help maintain original Roadsters, but it is still in the planning stages.
     
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  19. tonybelding

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    Do we? I think you'll find that if you have a decades-old Porsche, or Ferrari, or Jaguar — even a rare one — those companies will generally take care of you. They may have to fabricate parts (some of them can be 3D printed now), or they may contract out some work to outside specialists, and it's definitely not cheap, but there's always a way. That's the part of the market the Roadster exists in, and we should expect Tesla to do the same.

    It shouldn't be a huge burden on them. Tesla have only produced one rare and exotic model, not dozens. The Roadster is it. They can do this. I recall Elon once said that Tesla doesn't make slow cars. He's also bragged about how long their cars can last. I don't think it's much of a leap to expect that Tesla not make disposable cars either.

    I should also say, I haven't seen any real evidence of flagging support from Tesla yet. The worst situation I've had was the failure of my PEM, and it did take a few weeks to source the replacement (not as long as I'd feared), and it was expensive, but they got one. And you know, getting parts in a timely manner has sometimes been an issue for the S, X and 3 as well. Don't read too much into it.

    Longer term, I expect most of these cars will end up collected and conserved more, driven less. Personally, I'm a driver not a collector, and I don't really see keeping my R1 Roadster for long after the R2 arrives. It's been a fantastic car, and for now there's still nothing else like it, but inevitably its heyday will pass.
     
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  20. Mark77a

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    This at the core of the issue - as much in life - if in doubt 'follow the money' :cool:

    As 'new' car buyers we expect Tesla to step up quickly and help, and where warranties are in force we can even use the legal system to demand action.
    But out of warranty, is it realistic to demand action when Tesla appear to be struggling with new cars, business costs and a wall of media fed FUD ?
    As 'classic' car enthusiasts we going to have to pay (think Ferrari repair /restoration costs :eek:).
    This is a huge opportunity for 3rd party repairers restorers and market forces.
    The missing link is that Tesla are still hanging onto much proprietary information, firmware code, diagnostic software, yet they dont seem to have the resources to even use or improve this, never-mind approve others to use it and then share it with them.

    In the meantime the dream that our roadster's could be used as 80K discounts on R4's is a nice thought - I wonder what would then happen to them ? ..... like much in the rapidly changing car world with Tesla in it - Time will tell.
     

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