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Roadster's PreSales Pass EV1 1st year

Discussion in 'News' started by vfx, Aug 21, 2008.

  1. vfx

    vfx Well-Known Member

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    From the EV1 Wiki page:

    Manufacturer General Motors Production 1996-1999 (1,117 units)
    1997 Model Year: 660 units
    1999 Model Year: 457 units

    We get this:
    You'd better be quicksharp, though - Europe will get just 250 Roadsters for 2009, and Tesla's Darryl Siry tells us that 50 of them have already been snapped up.
    Tesla Roadster news - Tesla: lots more to come - 2008 - News - Top Gear

    And this:
    Tesla, the US company behind the £92,000 vehicle, says it already has orders for 1,100 in America and is increasing production at the Lotus Engineering plant in Norfolk.
    Green machine: The £92,000 electric sports car that does 125mph in complete silence | Mail Online

    Makes the total 1,150 Roadster sold. Surpassing the 1,117 EV1 units delivered.
     
  2. Kardax

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    #2 Kardax, Aug 21, 2008
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    Had the EV1 been offered for sale, its numbers could be much higher. (Or much lower, depending on what the actual price of the car truly was...)

    Also, the article talks about deliveries, not orders... it's not clear how many cars Tesla has delivered right now (5? 16?)... but they're still a long way from reaching 1000+.

    They'll almost certainly pass the Tucker Torpedo by year's end, though :)

    I actually have a list somewhere of all the milestones Tesla might attain... I'll dig around for it...

    -Ryan
     
  3. graham

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    Yes! If you find it, please post it as a new thread. It will be fun to track it over the next few months!
     
  4. Kardax

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    Ok, here it is:

    Vector: 35 cars
    Tucker: 51 cars
    Corbin: 300 sparrows
    RAV4 EV: 600 cars
    EV1: 1171 cars
    De Lorean: 9000 cars
    Edsel: 120000 cars
    Hudson: 300000 cars in one year


    -Ryan
     
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    That's a good suggestion graham... but I didn't see it before I posted (less than 1 minute separates our posts). Maybe a moderator can split this off.

    In any case, Vector and Tucker are both seriously threatened right now. Unless there's some kind of terrorist attack in the San Carlos area, those icons are doomed to fall in a matter of weeks.

    -Ryan
     
  6. TEG

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    #6 TEG, Aug 21, 2008
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    CommuterCars, Zap, ACP, Bricklin ...

    On the other hand,
    • 10,000,000+ cars and trucks are manufactured and sold in the United States every year.
    • 70,000,000+ vehicles are produced annually worldwide.
    • 600,000,000+ cars are on the world's roads
     
  7. vfx

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    That EV1 number is only near (last two numbers inverted) the Wiki named first year of production. No offense to your sources but that thousand-car difference makes me doubt the other numbers.


    Wiki total 2,234
    1st year total 1,171
    List Number 1.117
     
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    vfx Well-Known Member

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    #8 vfx, Aug 21, 2008
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    I wonder about The Major's small run cars. Prowler, Chevrolet SSR, Solstice, Viper, New Thunderbird, PT Cruiser convertible.

    How many do they allot for these specialty (mostly retro) cars.
     
  9. TEG

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    Some examples here:

    Ferrari 360
    Bestselling Ferrari in history; over 17,000 coupés and convertibles.

    Lamborghini Gallardo
    Bestselling Lamborghini in history; over 5,000 coupés and convertibles to 2007.

    Lamborghini Diablo
    2,903

    Lotus Elise
    Lotus Cars' bestseller; 17,000 in two generations to August 2004

    Mazda MX-5
    almost 750,000 in the first two generations to 2005, verified by the Guinness Book of Records as the bestselling two-seater sports car in history

    Original Mini
    The bestselling British-made car; 5,505,874 in a single design

    Looks like GM Europe sold 10 whole Opel Omegas last year...

    2007 Hybrid sales tidbits:
    181,221 Toyota Prius
    17,291 Lexus RX400h
    1,645 Lexus GS450h
    937 Lexus LS600hL
    772 Saturn Aura
    Latest Hybrid sales stats
     
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    TEG TMC Moderator

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    Some March 2006 stats:

    1 BMW Z8
    10 Maybach
    11 Carrera GT
    12 NSX
    15 SLR
    28 Rolls Royce
    37 Aston Martin
    59 Lamborghini
    76 Audi TT
    79 Insight
    147 Viper
    435 Boxster
    507 S2000
    523 Crossfire
    560 Cayman
    2000 MX5/Miata
    3013 350Z
    7922 Prius
     
  11. vfx

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    Some of this is old data:
    Toyota Prius Hybrid: 1 Million Served : TreeHugger

    Still though If a major Auto maker decides to make a car that appeals to a limited albeit loyal buyer such as the Prowler and the distinctive (at the time) PT Cruiser. How do they scale back? DOT crash, EPA testing, parts, dealer repair, all have to be addressed on a small volume sales model. Why would not the EV1 fit in the overall picture.
     
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    I think Martin once said that If Tesla sucessfully executed their plan, after a year or two of Whitestar production, Tesla would have sold more electic cars than the all-time total of US EV sales.

    I don't know how many cars that is, but it would be quite an accomplishment if it comes to pass.

    GSP
     
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    "12 NSX...79 Insight"

    A tear for Honda's best cars that just never sold.:frown:

    Anyway, the EV1 probably wouldn't have become successful, no matter how much I wish it would have. The Honda Insight is a perfect example: (both small two-seaters, aluminium, advanced cars) it did great for the first two years, and then its sales were abysmal.

    The EV1 would've become the path for other cars that would've become a success. You know, a four seater version or a sporty version...but GM didn't think it had a future, so know they're back to square one on the Volt.
     
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    #14 vfx, Jul 9, 2010
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    The cruiser is no more.

    Interesting numbers.
    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/07/09/chryslers-pt-cruiser-symb_n_641383.html

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    Have we heard officially that the number of Roadsters has surpassed that of the EV1 leases, yet? It probably has happened, but I have not heard an official number recently.
     
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    PopSmith Saving for a Model 3

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    #16 PopSmith, Jul 10, 2010
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    Other than this press release from July 1st that mentions "More than 1,200 current owners" I can't find any official number. If that does not include those waiting for a Roadster to be built/delivered then they have officially passed up the EV1. Maybe someone else will have better luck finding the number of actually delivered vehicles.
     
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    I would agree that the Roadster has surpassed the EV1 in sales.

    I think if Tesla Motors sold the Roadster for anything south of 90K they could have easily sold 2K to 3k Roadsters. Just my $ .02 cents.
     
  18. Iz

    Iz EVs are here to stay

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    Had they priced Roadster ~ 50k they would have sold > 10k vehicles.
     
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    (if Lotus had the production capacity to give to Tesla)
     

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