Russia/Ukraine conflict

[RobStark]

This is a similar situation to the American Revolution. The Ukrainians have the home field advantage, esprit de corps, and allies willing to give them what they need. But Russia is bigger and has more equipment.

During the American Revolution the British Empire was ascending not contracting.

During the American Revolution, the British Navy was the best in the world and the British Army was the best in the world. Or at least 2nd best Army in the world.

 

[petit_bateau]

Like they did in februari?

https://twitter.com/x/status/1530405122840227841

Don't troll here. Or be stupid here.

If you read that thread you linked to for barely 5-secs you'll see that OSCE are often reporting the locations of the outgoing fire, i.e. Russian against Ukraine. Better still read the underlying OSCE report. And this has been the case since Yanukovych was deposed for being a Putin pawn in the Maidan revolution of 2014.

If you want to read a very quick summary of the reality of the origin of this you can do worse than read Mike Snow's post # #5934 of 27th May 2022, 22:26 at

https://www.pprune.org/military-aviation/639666-ukraine-about-have-war-327.html#post11236649

.... but don't take us for idiots here.

 

[wdolson]

During the American Revolution the British Empire was ascending not contracting.

During the American Revolution, the British Navy was the best in the world and the British Army was the best in the world. Or at least 2nd best Army in the world.

In 1775 the British army was in a rather poor state. It was neglected after the Seven Years War and was not ready for the fight it had to take on in North America.

The British Empire still had 170 years of life left in it, but the 1770s was a low point for its military. Military conflict was a part of the British Empire, but it wasn't the primary tool they used to take over the world. The settlements in North America expanded via the Seven Years War (aka the French Indian War in the US), but most of it was established by just moving in and shoving the natives out of the way. The East India Company had some skirmishes, but mostly grew its empire by waiting until Indian leaders got weak and taking over. New Zealand became a British colony by treaty and they took over Australia much the same way they took North America.

The growth of the British Empire is a different story from the Russian Empire. The Russians grew their empire by grinding down and subjugating the peoples of Asia and Eastern Europe. It was a military empire built with blood. Russian culture has a lot of influence from the Mongols and their approach to war is from the Mongol Horde's playbook, even today.

The Russian Empire has been held together with the constant threat that if anybody acts up, the overlords in Moscow will come and crush them. What the Russians did in the second Chechen war was as much a warning to any other province that might be thinking of breaking away as it was putting down the Chechen uprising. The ever dangling sword of the massive Russian military hanging over the outer provinces have always kept them in line.

If the army is seen as incapable of stopping an internal rebellion we may see multiple provinces try to break away. Kadyrov is plotting that right now.

 

[RobStark]

In 1775 the British army was in a rather poor state. It was neglected after the Seven Years War and was not ready for the fight it had to take on in North America.

The British Empire still had 170 years of life left in it, but the 1770s was a low point for its military.

No it wasn't.

They kept winning every battle until the very end, gave up and lost the war.

Then the British sacked Washington DC in 1814 for good measure.

 

[nativewolf]

During the American Revolution the British Empire was ascending not contracting.

During the American Revolution, the British Navy was the best in the world and the British Army was the best in the world. Or at least 2nd best Army in the world.

At best the 2nd. Prussian army was clearly the best by that point, the French more than held their own. At that point in time most of the british boots on the ground were germans sold to the brits. The real difference was logistics and leadership and training. There is a lesson for the battle of Ukraine.

 

[nativewolf]

No it wasn't.

They kept winning every battle until the very end, gave up and lost the war.

Then the British sacked Washington DC in 1814 for good measure.

Oh complete blather. The absolutely didn't win every battle. I suspect you've never even read a history book.

They lost control of the entire interior of the colonies, they only held a few ports, that's all. They'd lost everything else and any attempts to control territory ended in losses. They could not maneuver away from the fleet support and without that, even for a second, they lost. Heck they never even managed to recover Boston which they lost early in the war. The British army was essentially only capable of conducting raids. The American strategy was to maneuver and cause attrition unless the brits f'd up and an opportunity presented itself. The Brits and Americans both had wins and losses but control of territory was steadily and surely moving to the Americans. Without control off all the ports the Brits were never going to control the interior and the vaunted British navy was not capable of blockading the coast.

The war of 1814 was another separate war and yes they did burn DC but it was barely more than foundations at the point. They also lost in that war as well and that cemented American control of the interior of the continent and doomed the brits to Canada..a fate they truly deserved.

 

[nativewolf]

Don't troll here. Or be stupid here.

If you read that thread you linked to for barely 5-secs you'll see that OSCE are often reporting the locations of the outgoing fire, i.e. Russian against Ukraine. Better still read the underlying OSCE report. And this has been the case since Yanukovych was deposed for being a Putin pawn in the Maidan revolution of 2014.

If you want to read a very quick summary of the reality of the origin of this you can do worse than read Mike Snow's post # #5934 of 27th May 2022, 22:26 at

https://www.pprune.org/military-aviation/639666-ukraine-about-have-war-327.html#post11236649

.... but don't take us for idiots here.

Thank you @petit_bateau

 

[RobStark]

At best the 2nd. Prussian army was clearly the best by that point, the French more than held their own. At that point in time most of the british boots on the ground were germans sold to the brits. The real difference was logistics and leadership and training. There is a lesson for the battle of Ukraine.

France beat both the Prussians and the Austrians in the War of the First Coalition from 1792-97.

 

[RobStark]

Oh complete blather. The absolutely didn't win every battle. I suspect you've never even read a history book.

They won every important battle. Until the end.

I suspect you don't know your own history.

 

[wdolson]

They won every important battle. Until the end.

I suspect you don't know your own history.

So the Battle of Saratoga was insignificant? I think most historians of the ear would disagree with you.

 

[bkp_duke]

Asking for a friend: Does a Starlink set have a gps locator?

No.

 

[JRP3]

No.

Or does it....

 

[bkp_duke]

Or does it....

No, it does not have a GPS in it. But Starlink corp themselves have an encrypted link that will let them determine location.

The Russian troll above was hoping we would tell him a way that the dumb dumb ruskies could lock into starlink sat dishes (like they are doing with DJI drones with China's help) and blow them up. Elon's smarter than that, Starlink has been actively hardening these things since they started shipping them to Ukraine.

 

[JRP3]

No, it does not have a GPS in it. But Starlink corp themselves have an encrypted link that will let them determine location.

The Russian troll above was hoping we would tell him a way that the dumb dumb ruskies could lock into starlink sat dishes (like they are doing with DJI drones with China's help) and blow them up. Elon's smarter than that, Starlink has been actively hardening these things since they started shipping them to Ukraine.

I had a different take, check your PMs.

 

[bkp_duke]

I had a different take, check your PMs.

Alternatively, Starlink can give the exact location of any dishes that have fallen into Russian hands, and they don't need a GPS locator to do that. The Starlink is basically one gigantic private GPS network just for Starlink corp.


So while the Russians can't hone in on the dishes to blow them up, any that fall into Russian hands can certainly be targeted should Starlink wish to provide that information.

Win-win.

 

[BMW740iL]

Alternatively, Starlink can give the exact location of any dishes that have fallen into Russian hands, and they don't need a GPS locator to do that. The Starlink is basically one gigantic private GPS network just for Starlink corp.


So while the Russians can't hone in on the dishes to blow them up, any that fall into Russian hands can certainly be targeted should Starlink wish to provide that information.

Win-win.

And do you think Elon/Starlink is with the War Party? I think not

 

[JRP3]

And do you think Elon/Starlink is with the War Party? I think not

It's quite obvious he's with Ukraine since he gave them Starlink.

 

[BMW740iL]

It's quite obvious he's with Ukraine since he gave them Starlink.

It’s obvious he is providing Ukraine with access to internet without censorship. But that is something completely different from being with the war parties

 

[bkp_duke]

And do you think Elon/Starlink is with the War Party? I think not

Think what you want. I only follow evidence. 1200 Starlink terminals to Ukraine since the start of the war says a lot.

Hell, even the Pentagon was impressed by how quickly Starlink overcame Russian attempts to jam the constellation.

Pentagon Impressed by Starlink's Fast Signal-Jamming Workaround in Ukraine

An official with the US Office of the Secretary of Defense says he was impressed with how quickly SpaceX foiled a Russian jamming attempt on Starlink dishes in Ukraine last month.

www.pcmag.com

 

[SwedishAdvocate]

More bad news for Putler:

Unfortunately, May 26th didn’t bring joy to Ukraine and Russian soldiers who were supposed to leave on that day. And there is a reason why soldiers couldn’t leave. Listen to a new intercepted phone call to find out why it’s so! Also you’ll hear what the Ukrainian woman who lives on the occupied territory says about Russians. [My underline.]

NOTE: Depending on the 'local sensitivities' to swear words this clip might be NSFW at your current location...