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Russia/Ukraine conflict
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When Hogs Fly. Everybody knows that the A-10 Warthog is a tough plane, but it can dish it out and it can take it. Getting in for close air support means that you are more likely to be a big target for your enemies. The Gulf War was the time when A-10 Warthogs really shined as they tore through Iraq
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It looks like Ukraine is trying to capture the Donbas. If they do that, or just come close there will be no escape for Russians in the south through the Donbas. The only land route left will be the Kerch Strait.
In war you don't want to give your enemy an escape route. The ideal offensive traps a large force with no supply and no escape. Then there are only two outcomes: the siege is relieved by outside forces breaking through the lines (which won't happen with this terrain), the surrounded units surrender, or they fight to the last like the Imperial Japanese. Russian morale is way too low to fight to the last, so surrender will become inevitable.
Then Putin needs to try and weather the most humiliating defeat possible: loss of the entire army.
Perun points out that all those babushkas crying when liberated by the Ukrainians are Russian speakers. The claim the Ukrainians were discriminating against Russian speakers was just propaganda.
The Russians were able to get some people in the Donbas to fight against Kyiv because the Donbas is the poorest region in Ukraine and there were some people who figured Russia couldn't be much worse. Now after 8 years of low scale war and 7 months of brutal war that has killed a huge chunk of the male population of Donbas there are probably quite a few of the survivors who are thinking peaceful poverty in Ukraine probably beats genocide under Russia.
Crimea was always more pro-Russian. In the vote to leave the USSR the leave vote was weakest in Crimea. It's also notable that we haven't heard stories of Crimean men being pressed ganged into cannon fodder units like the men of the Donbas. Crimea might be somewhat more tepid about returning to Ukraine, but there are probably plenty of pro-Ukrainians there too. The partisans have been active there and it's difficult to run a partisan operation without civilian help.
They just prohibited men from leaving Crimea so I guess it is coming. Small population though and one that mostly supported the tourist and military.
Re Ukrainian/Russian integration issues I suspect there is some truth to the matter, language choice in schools, etc. I would not be surprised if Ukraine was trying to push a "ukranian" culture everywhere, from schools, to govt docs etc.
SwedishAdvocate
Active Member
And what do you think the Russian Dictator and his 'intelligence agencies' were doing in Crimea, the Donbas and the rest of Ukraine X amount of years before he invaded in 2014?...
SwedishAdvocate
Active Member
A couple of questions:
What does it matter if you "speak Russian" or even if you "are Russian"?... Is there anyone in this thread that would like to spend the rest of his or her life living inside of the Dictator's version of Russia?... Why do you think someone else would?
What does it matter if you "speak Russian" or even if you "are Russian"?... Is there anyone in this thread that would like to spend the rest of his or her life living inside of the Dictator's version of Russia?... Why do you think someone else would?
KBF
Model X owner (formerly Cdn Signature Model S)
Propaganda can be effective.
Hmm you should know this!
It’s called something like….
Goteborg Syndrome
Lund Syndrome
Umea Syndrome
Can’t quite put my tongue on it.
SwedishAdvocate
Active Member
Sure...
So I guess everyone that survived Bucha had Stockholm Syndrome...
Right. Got it.
SwedishAdvocate
Active Member
I saw that the other day. They may try to throw Crimean natives into the line, but it won't help much.
Before 2014 the Ukrainians were more open to Russian than after. It has become increasingly hostile to the Russian language and even Russian speakers are becoming hostile to everything Russian. Before the war Ukraine was divided about Russia, but now the division is almost gone.
Russian language in Ukraine - Wikipedia
To have been part of Ukraine for decades and then taken over suddenly by the Russians is different than a person living their whole life in the fun house mirror of the Russian media. The US has a segment of the population who have voluntarily lived in a media world of warped information for the last 30 years and it shows in US politics.
RobStark
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I have read the Crimea is the Ukrainian equivalent to Florida. Relatively warm weather that attracts retirees.
I remember reading in 2014 that the minimum Russian monthly pension was 3x the Ukrainian pension. So a lot of Crimeans voted for/supported a Russian pension over a Ukrainian pension.
So Crimea relative to regions in Russia has relatively few men of fighting age.
Below is a wiki map that shows income per capital in various Ukrainian regions. Green higher income while yellow is lower income.
The Donbass is coal country that was the industrial heartland of Ukraine.
I remember reading in 2014 that the minimum Russian monthly pension was 3x the Ukrainian pension. So a lot of Crimeans voted for/supported a Russian pension over a Ukrainian pension.
So Crimea relative to regions in Russia has relatively few men of fighting age.
Below is a wiki map that shows income per capital in various Ukrainian regions. Green higher income while yellow is lower income.
The Donbass is coal country that was the industrial heartland of Ukraine.
lolachampcar
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I hope Crimea has more sense than Florida (born and live there).
RobStark
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TheTalkingMule
Distributed Energy Enthusiast
Since he wouldn't say any of this without Putin's approval, I have to take this as a lie. Perhaps trying to take the pressure off for a moment to regroup in the east?
Edit:. But I'd love to see this news crush oil futures! We shall see. No impact so far.
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SageBrush
REJECT Fascism
Is there anyone in this thread who lives in Donbas or Crimea ?
Or Russia, for that matter.
I sure don't want a Gov run by Maggots, but that does not mean I move to Russia.
I think what Putin means is: he would like the borders to be frozen at the current state of the war, i.e. keep whatever they currently occupy -- that's the kind of end he would be willing to accept, because he knows they have no chance to make any more gains but a very strong chance to keep losing more ground.
British defense intelligence has said in its latest assessment that it believes Russia's Black Sea Fleet has moved submarines from their home port on the annexed Crimean Peninsula to southern Russia in a sign of the increased threat to Russian forces of Ukraine's "long-range strike capability."
U.K. Says Russia Relocated Black Sea Submarines As 'Threat Level' Rose From Ukrainian Attacks
