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Russia/Ukraine conflict
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RobStark
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White South Africans are Western People that wanted to be part of the West. English or Dutch.
Russia is its own civilization unto itself. It seems that most/may want to be part of the West simply move West.
There is always a bit of triumphalism after every election. Waves and realignment. But don't see any evidence of the American Right fading away. Young people voting Left has always been a thing. Flower power American Baby Boomers didn't install socialism once they controlled the American government.
This sounds somewhat like what we heard during Vietnam. We were always just short of defeating the NVA and the VC and the people loved us for protecting democracy.
navguy12
Active Member
IMO, the original poster was eluding to the concept that the current ability for the current “right” in the US to be electable is becoming problematic because the current “right” would view Richard Nixon as a socialist; just my opinion.
lolachampcar
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I was speaking to the inevitable dilution of the old white guard..... (and for anyone that finds that offensive, I speak as a member)
The operational side of me really wanted to see SA start advancing a few generations through the educational system without regard to appearance then have government hire from a pool of candidates behind a curtain. The best win. The government slowly evolves to more equitably represent the people it hopes to govern. Silly me.
I see the "right" in the US doing the same thing. The old white conservative guard is loosing the ability to win elections. Instead of evolving their coalition and their message, they are simply resulting to a post fact or alternative fact world (credit to K. A. Conway). The similarity I see between the US and SA is an unwillingness to accept and adapt to inevitable change.
BitJam
Active Member
Great piece!
If Russia chose to stop fighting in Ukraine and left it would end the war. If Ukraine chose to stop fighting and give up, it would be the end of Ukraine.
SageBrush
REJECT Fascism
I would say that Nixon was the beginning of trumpism, although it took little bush to add Evangelicals to the toxic broth.
BitJam
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Newly freed citizens of Kherson calling loved ones via Starlink:
(picture by Lynsey Addario for The New York Times)
(picture by Lynsey Addario for The New York Times)
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@HeliosRunner: 1/ Operational situation update/ #russian_invasion in #Ukraine on November 11, 2022 Special day today. Special map, as i usually do. #KhersonisUkraine #Kerson is Free at last. #UkraineMap 2/ 3/ 4/ sin...…
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Interesting map, reported elsewhere.
Thanks for forwarding... I subscribe to Medium, but somehow missed this very well written opinion piece. However, it seems to refute what you wrote introducing it! I suggest you read again and especially take Ukraine and Russia's recent actions into consideration. When Ukraine takes back Crimea, I believe the writer's comparison to results of the Russo - Japanese war of 1904/5 will occur, if not before. As such an "endless war" will not be the conclusion of this conflict.This may have been posted earlier just in case. I personally feel we are all being railroaded; the MIC is having a field day and the "best" solution for all seems to be an endless war. Here's a fresh look from someone who knows better than most
A Clash of Two Systems
The war in Ukraine is a confrontation between two systems, one modern, legalistic, decentralized and multicephalous; the other archaic…medium.com
stopcrazypp
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Right, here's the conclusion:
Even resetting territory to February (but making no concessions in terms of recognizing any Ukraine territory as Russian) would be a humiliation to Russia. But the way things are going, Ukraine logically will continue pushing until a true stalemate is reached (which it hasn't yet, Russia is still in retreat). That means even before a stalemate is reached, Ukraine will likely gain back more territory than they started with in February. However some of the proposals like officially giving Crimea to Russia at this juncture in exchange for peace, very much is not the same thing, given Russia would have still "gained" something from this war.
A big problem in the short term (~ 5 years) is that many of them left to protest, many left in order to not get "drafted" and many have been sent to the front only to get killed there or when they return if they were captured or arrested for protesting.
I don't think so, especially now. The Ukrainians are more charged up than ever and with the weapons known to be coming in as well as some rumored, I think they will be well prepared to fight over the ill prepared Russians. I believe they will retake Crimea and force (along with the West) Russia to pay reparations (even if that means the West unfreezing their assets specifically for that purpose). Putin will be forcibly removed from office and hopefully better alternative will take control.
While no one can predict the future with certainty, that's what I see (and hope) with what's happening on the ground currently. JMO though...
Ben has doubled down on this and since he has been proven correct regarding taking Kherson..who knows. I do see that northern Luhansk has become a pinning motion, frankly the whole border from Bakhmut to Savtove has been Russia throwing bodies on the line.
For months he has been saying Crimea by summer 2023. His interviews are well worth catching.
Range map based on official range and we'll see if things start exploding deep into Crimea.
Wagner proudly posted up video of the execution of a deserter with a sledge hammer to the head. Like some kind of sick tribute to Gallagher. I guess they think that will help their combat effectiveness? Barbaric.
They think it's a form of intimidation. To the rest of the world, it's just a sign of how backwards and morally bankrupt Russia has become.
Yeah, it's not gonna convince the Ukrainians to lay down their weapons and let the Wagner group be in control.
