tholly
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Yes, I have a 100 SS currently (and a 99 SS looking back at the last 93 days combined). I’m in the US, 2022 MY, sitting on 4.5.17.Is anyone on here (who is opted in, playing safety score & waiting for FSD Beta) NOT on 2022.8.x ?
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Yes, I have a 100 SS currently (and a 99 SS looking back at the last 93 days combined). I’m in the US, 2022 MY, sitting on 4.5.17.Is anyone on here (who is opted in, playing safety score & waiting for FSD Beta) NOT on 2022.8.x ?
I've been at 99-100 since January. 4.5.17.Likewise 100 score for over 2 months since opting in an on 4.5.17
Well that’s stupid. Why would they let the car driving, score against you. That’s not your faults, that’s the car... they learn nothing from you not driving.What they should do is get rid of the "Being on AP doesn't count against you".
Since that's the only way I could get a good enough score and I used it even in inappropriate places and didn't bail until I thought it would kill me.
If they did that, a lot less folks would get in to FSD Beta. So then they could just lower the threshold to let in the number of testers they want. Which would probably be 90-95% score. To take AP out of the equation maybe ONLY miles NOT on AP count. Also probably not allow it to be one straight highway trip which is not an accurate measure. Basically only count City Driving with no AP. Since that's the target driving FSD Beta is after any way.
I don't think it's metrics are that far off. It's the other constraints that tilt things wrong. Following to close, braking and hard turns are probably correct most of the time.
They would get better drivers out of it, and less frustrated ones.
Right now they have a biased group that was a little crazy, and knew more how to beat it than actually drive good, like me, rather than truly better drivers.
And for the record, those itching to get on, I may be losing FSD Beta soon with a trade in. I am buying FSD again, but I won't be that itchy to get back in until they have ORDERS of magnitude improvements. It did satisfy my curiosity, but it's a big disappointment.
And you may ask, why buy it again. I'm totally convinced now that the FSD change lane with blinker completely replaces the lack of true Blind Spot. For that safety reason, I'm buying it again. I also do feel Tesla is giving me an extremely generous trade-in and I think it having FSD is part of it.
Because people use AP in situations they should not (like city streets) or wait until situations under AP are near reckless before they bail to maintain a good score. That's exactly what I did.Well that’s stupid. Why would they let the car driving, score against you. That’s not your faults, that’s the car... they learn nothing from you not driving.
I have tried this, it didn’t work for me, anyone else can confirm?They actually do partially allow a "score forget." If you get a forward collision warning you can do the two-thumb reset immediately after it occurs (read: while still driving) and the FCW won't be recorded.
That stopped working a couple updates ago.They actually do partially allow a "score forget." If you get a forward collision warning you can do the two-thumb reset immediately after it occurs (read: while still driving) and the FCW won't be recorded.
Nowhere is it said to not use AP on city streets. If you’re being scored for the beta queue, you are paying for FSD which includes traffic lights and stop signs. I use non beta AP everywhere.Because people use AP in situations they should not (like city streets) or wait until situations under AP are near reckless before they bail to maintain a good score. That's exactly what I did.
It's also stupid that you can drive 100 miles on AP and get 100% score with zero measurement of your driving skill.
You are still responsible. So either everything should count.
Or only include miles while NOT on AP. They would not count against you but they should not count as points (miles) for you either.
The way it is now is totally screwed up. AP can only give good points (miles) and no bad.
Nowhere is it said to not use AP on city streets.
Not true. The manual specifically says it is for limited access highways only.Nowhere is it said to not use AP on city streets. If you’re being scored for the beta queue, you are paying for FSD which includes traffic lights and stop signs. I use non beta AP everywhere.
So why is there a stop sign and stop light part to it. That warning is purely for legal reasons.Not true. The manual specifically says it is for limited access highways only.
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"Nowhere does it not say to do something, except for that part of the manual that says to not do that, but that's just for legal reasons so I'll ignore it"So why is there a stop sign and stop light part to it. That warning is purely for legal reasons.
to play devils advocate, the stop light control does work with TACC as well, which is something that is "allowed" on a much broader range of roads, many that include lights. but i agree, its nonsense to think people aren't going to use AP on city streets now, i know i do lol."Nowhere does it not say to do something, except for that part of the manual that says to not do that, but that's just for legal reasons so I'll ignore it"
Yes, it is insane they have a stop light control function while telling you to not use it on city streets. The last time I brought this up, the Tesla defenders all tried to find highways with stop lights on them to prove Tesla wasn't being nuts. But the simple reality is that the manual DOES tell you not to use it on city streets, so Tesla is encouraging use in areas that it should not be used in.
So why is there a stop sign and stop light part to it. That warning is purely for legal reasons.
the Tesla defenders all tried to find highways with stop lights on them to prove Tesla wasn't being nuts.
Covered by "do not use where pedestrians may be present."It's kind of a grey area whether you'd call those short stretches "city streets" - technically it still is the same highway with the same highway number, but now it has less-limited access from the sides,
No way. The primary use case is in cities to "beta" test the feature because Tesla knows you won't actually pay attention to the manual, but then wants to say "but they weren't obeying the manual!" when an accident occurs.I suspect this is the primary use-case for TACC+Autosteer paying attention to lights at all, if Autosteer isn't meant for city streets.