Yes, I have a 100 SS currently (and a 99 SS looking back at the last 93 days combined). I’m in the US, 2022 MY, sitting on 4.5.17.
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OncomingStorm
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same... 4.5.17.. SS 99/100 since late Dec... REALLY hoping being held back means i get the beta with the next round lol
Well that’s stupid. Why would they let the car driving, score against you. That’s not your faults, that’s the car... they learn nothing from you not driving.
I'm also in 22 MYLR, at 99 score, enrolled since sometime in January. I had 4.5.3 and then 4.5.17, still there. I still think they at least had some kind of plan at some point about keeping cars on 4.5.x (probably not just .17) for potential beta, but who knows if that plan is still intact.
Because people use AP in situations they should not (like city streets) or wait until situations under AP are near reckless before they bail to maintain a good score. That's exactly what I did.
It's also stupid that you can drive 100 miles on AP and get 100% score with zero measurement of your driving skill.
You are still responsible. So either everything should count.
Or only include miles while NOT on AP. They would not count against you but they should not count as points (miles) for you either.
The way it is now is totally screwed up. AP can only give good points (miles) and no bad.
I have tried this, it didn’t work for me, anyone else can confirm?
I am already on beta, and had safety score still kept scoring for few month up until couple days ago.
I can turn it on again to test if needed.
Nowhere is it said to not use AP on city streets. If you’re being scored for the beta queue, you are paying for FSD which includes traffic lights and stop signs. I use non beta AP everywhere.
And they want people using the beta that are experienced with using AP and know it’s limitations, and how to handle it doing things wrong. Those AP miles are important. You’re mad, and missing the entire point it seems.
Knightshade
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Yes, it is. The owners manual. Multiple times.
AP (autosteer particularly) is explicitly intended for use on divided limited access freeways and is NOT supposed to be used around things like pedestrians and cyclists as one is likely to encounter on city streets.
So why is there a stop sign and stop light part to it. That warning is purely for legal reasons.
"Nowhere does it not say to do something, except for that part of the manual that says to not do that, but that's just for legal reasons so I'll ignore it"
Yes, it is insane they have a stop light control function while telling you to not use it on city streets. The last time I brought this up, the Tesla defenders all tried to find highways with stop lights on them to prove Tesla wasn't being nuts. But the simple reality is that the manual DOES tell you not to use it on city streets, so Tesla is encouraging use in areas that it should not be used in.
OncomingStorm
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to play devils advocate, the stop light control does work with TACC as well, which is something that is "allowed" on a much broader range of roads, many that include lights. but i agree, its nonsense to think people aren't going to use AP on city streets now, i know i do lol.
honestly tho this is something i credit tesla for, other car makers would just lock out the feature where its not appropriate to use, but with tesla, yes you have to get past the wall of text but after that your free to use it however you like. its far more annoying when you know your car can do something but just wont because some bureaucrat doesn't want the bad press lol.
Knightshade
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The stop sign and stop light part works with just TACC.
Which is NOT restricted to highways in the manual.
It's autosteer, specifically, they state is intended for highways.
Now--- because you can't use autosteer without ALSO having TACC on, you end up with stop lights and signs feature "on" in that case too... But not because you're supposed to use it in city streets (again, the manual tells you you aren't) but because one of the features that ALSO needs to be on happens to include that.
EDIT- just to say OncomingStorm made the same observation as I was writing this
Here in TX we have a number of limited-access highways where you end up eventually hitting stoplights. The scenario is usually the highway passes through a small town, and the speed limit decreases a bit and then there's a few stoplights near commercial stuff (e.g. local gas stations and eateries), and then the speed ramps back up on the other side of town. They're often under a mile, on a long straight highway that you're otherwise NoA-ing down for hundreds of miles. The highway *is* limited-access when it's not inside one of these towns. Having NoA/AP able to detect and stop at those lights on the way through is really useful. It's kind of a grey area whether you'd call those short stretches "city streets" - technically it still is the same highway with the same highway number, but now it has less-limited access from the sides, temporarily, and it is in a city, temporarily. I suspect this is the primary use-case for TACC+Autosteer paying attention to lights at all, if Autosteer isn't meant for city streets.
Covered by "do not use where pedestrians may be present."
No way. The primary use case is in cities to "beta" test the feature because Tesla knows you won't actually pay attention to the manual, but then wants to say "but they weren't obeying the manual!" when an accident occurs.
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