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It's not so black and white. Tesla is not a super big brother, checking everyone what you do with your car. But when they find out because you're not careful, they take action.

Of course, the military are always spared. But if your check all these videos of people in Eastern Europe supercharging, they are very careful not to show you any sign that would id the vehicle. Just in case.

Also, these guys are not a good example. They can hack everything, so yeah, their cars supercharge. And have FSD. And whatever you want (pay them for).

Said that, going on a trip to Canada with your US Tesla won't hurt you. But registering your US Tesla in Canada (and sending the registration info to Tesla) might.
I don't think Tesla really cares either way in terms of supercharging, and I don't see why you would need to send any registration info to Tesla (other than when you first bought it and you are having Tesla help you register it or to get temp plates, otherwise in states where Tesla isn't allowed to do so, the owner would register the car themselves and Tesla never gets that info). But from other threads I looked up, due to laws in Canada, you aren't legally allowed to register a US car in Canada unless it is on a specific list or it is more than 15 years old. So that would not even be a thing that happens.
Importing Model S to Canada
 
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Tesla did that to my Tessi, the second time, since one week ago for all kinds of DC- charging, fast or slow (@Ikea, about 16kw/h) at Tesla SC, about 89kw/h, and everywhere else. They even encryted this malware, so once it's on the car it cannot be hacked.
 

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Ich bin seit 1983 mit meiner Amerikanischen Frau aus NY verheiratet. Wir hatten mehrfach unseren Lebensmittelpunkt in USA, meist in Utah, zuletzt 2013 - 2018, aber auch, wie auch jetzt noch, Familie in New Hampshire. Oefter haben wir Autos am Wohnsitz gekauft und mitgenommen, z.T. auch dort geordert und im anderen Land ausliefern lassen, z. B „European delivery“ bei Amerikanischen Haendlern Deutscher Hersteller, oder Ordern eines US- models in Deutschland, Auslieferung in D. mit Zollkennzeichen, dann Mitnahme nach USA, oder umgekehrt, Camaro bei GM/Opel. Nie hatten wir auch nur die geringste Schwierigkeit mit dem Service, im Gegenteil Ford empfahl beim Mustang fuer den Betrieb auf deutschen Autobahnen, (stundenlange Vollast) den Einbau eines Getriebeoelkuehlers, usw. Die Verweigerung von Service, wie von Tesla, und das auch noch bei einem faktischen Monopol fuer Service (E- Schein des KFZ- Meisters notwendig), noch schlimmer: Weigereung des Verkaufs von Ersatzteilen, sowohl als auch der Veroeffentlichung von Messdaten,z.B. an Bosch Service, Vordere Plastikstossstange an den Karosseriebauer: „fuer diese VIN geben wir keine Teile raus“. Achsvermessung bei ATU. Und jetzt: Eingriff in MEIN Eigentum in Form von partieller Unbrauchbarmachung, ist fuer die Autobauer dieser welt absolut einmalig. = Wertverlust von ca. 20.000,- EUR. bei gleichzeitiger Weigerung der Inzahlungnahme bei Kauf eines Mod. Y P. Nach Deutschem Recht ist das Sachbeschaedigung. Nur, ob Deutsches Recht greift ist fraglich, denn Tesla wird sich rausreden, dass alle Sofwareaenderungen in California ins Netz gegeben werden, Gerichtsstand waere also Sacramento. Die Uebergriffigkeit dortiger IT- Konzerne in das Eigentum ihrer Kunden, wie von Apple, Microsoft, Google und anderen ist dort ja die Regel, also vermutlich nach deren Rechtsverstaendnis nicht illegal. Das angelsaechische Recht arbeitet auch weniger mit Gesetzen, als vielmehr mit exemplarischen Gerichtsentscheidungen. Nach meinen bisherigen Ermittlungen gibt es solche im Kundeninteresse bisher nicht. Bin jetzt etwas ideenlos.
 
Ich bin seit 1983 mit meiner Amerikanischen Frau aus NY verheiratet. Wir hatten mehrfach unseren Lebensmittelpunkt in USA, meist in Utah, zuletzt 2013 - 2018, aber auch, wie auch jetzt noch, Familie in New Hampshire. Oefter haben wir Autos am Wohnsitz gekauft und mitgenommen, z.T. auch dort geordert und im anderen Land ausliefern lassen, z. B „European delivery“ bei Amerikanischen Haendlern Deutscher Hersteller, oder Ordern eines US- models in Deutschland, Auslieferung in D. mit Zollkennzeichen, dann Mitnahme nach USA, oder umgekehrt, Camaro bei GM/Opel. Nie hatten wir auch nur die geringste Schwierigkeit mit dem Service, im Gegenteil Ford empfahl beim Mustang fuer den Betrieb auf deutschen Autobahnen, (stundenlange Vollast) den Einbau eines Getriebeoelkuehlers, usw. Die Verweigerung von Service, wie von Tesla, und das auch noch bei einem faktischen Monopol fuer Service (E- Schein des KFZ- Meisters notwendig), noch schlimmer: Weigereung des Verkaufs von Ersatzteilen, sowohl als auch der Veroeffentlichung von Messdaten,z.B. an Bosch Service, Vordere Plastikstossstange an den Karosseriebauer: „fuer diese VIN geben wir keine Teile raus“. Achsvermessung bei ATU. Und jetzt: Eingriff in MEIN Eigentum in Form von partieller Unbrauchbarmachung, ist fuer die Autobauer dieser welt absolut einmalig. = Wertverlust von ca. 20.000,- EUR. bei gleichzeitiger Weigerung der Inzahlungnahme bei Kauf eines Mod. Y P. Nach Deutschem Recht ist das Sachbeschaedigung. Nur, ob Deutsches Recht greift ist fraglich, denn Tesla wird sich rausreden, dass alle Sofwareaenderungen in California ins Netz gegeben werden, Gerichtsstand waere also Sacramento. Die Uebergriffigkeit dortiger IT- Konzerne in das Eigentum ihrer Kunden, wie von Apple, Microsoft, Google und anderen ist dort ja die Regel, also vermutlich nach deren Rechtsverstaendnis nicht illegal. Das angelsaechische Recht arbeitet auch weniger mit Gesetzen, als vielmehr mit exemplarischen Gerichtsentscheidungen. Nach meinen bisherigen Ermittlungen gibt es solche im Kundeninteresse bisher nicht. Bin jetzt etwas ideenlos.
Cool story. No in English please.
 
@Clemi Tesla is known to be very aggressive against exporters, but the funny thing is that their official policy is not that bad: they should be able to service a grey vehicle in a core market (US vehicle in Europe). But I find weird that they won't sell you parts for a US VIN. I bought European parts for my US Tesla without much trouble.
 
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@Clemi Tesla is known to be very aggressive against exporters, but the funny thing is that their official policy is not that bad: they should be able to service a grey vehicle in a core market (US vehicle in Europe). But I find weird that they won't sell you parts for a US VIN. I bought European parts for my US Tesla without much trouble.
But even in situations where tesla had orchestrated the whole export (containers from london via harbour to south india) they are abbandoning brand new cars and their owners completely in situations where service is required. .... please arrange a shipment to our nearest service center yourself ... that should not happen in such a price range for a car (not even a salvagend tesla car ... only intended to be used somewhere else)
 
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I have been a model S owner since 2018 had a minor bump up and the only Tesla body shop in my state totaled it. Unknowingly I bought the car back with a salvage title and have been driving as normal for 2 months. This weekend my wife was driving it and stopped to charge at a SC and nothing would work. Called Roadside and they suggested towing in so we did. This was the weekend and Monday morning Tesla service via the app informed me that is was no longer supported by the SC network. Has anyone on here ever got any response from anyone except the local tech department any help would be greatly appreciated. I know if conducted business like this I would not have one much less three. Tesla customer service needs an overhaul. Also I have a Plaid X on order now and a reservation on a Cyber Truck and I am a stockholder. I love the product but the customer service is boarder line incompetent.
 

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I have been a model S owner since 2018 had a minor bump up and the only Tesla body shop in my state totaled it. Unknowingly I bought the car back with a salvage title and have been driving as normal for 2 months. This weekend my wife was driving it and stopped to charge at a SC and nothing would work. Called Roadside and they suggested towing in so we did. This was the weekend and Monday morning Tesla service via the app informed me that is was no longer supported by the SC network. Has anyone on here ever got any response from anyone except the local tech department any help would be greatly appreciated. I know if conducted business like this I would not have one much less three. Tesla customer service needs an overhaul. Also I have a Plaid X on order now and a reservation on a Cyber Truck and I am a stockholder. I love the product but the customer service is boarder line incompetent.
That's not minor if it's fixed with official methods, as that panel is part of the chassis. The rear quarter area is always the biggest nightmare as it's not easily replaced. Practically every other panel would have been easy to replace. If they can't pull that part back into shape then it largely depends on if the panel can be cut out and welded (not sure if Model S allows that as it's aluminum, while it's possible in Model 3 which was steel).

If you disagreed with the total, you should have fought it at the time. Or are you saying you didn't know it was totaled (which I'm not sure how that's possible given presumably you were given a payout for the value of the car or a replacement vehicle)? If you knew it was totaled, how would you not know it was a salvage title, as totaled cars are given a salvage title? Now it's a lot harder to rewind the clock.
 
Unknowingly I bought the car back with a salvage title

Thats not possible (to "unknowingly buy a car back with a salvage title"). It was your car, you knew it was totaled (would have to know because you got a payout for it) then chose to buy the car back and would have to sign documents stating it was a salvage title.

What you likely mean is "Unaware of what the ramifications of buying a salvage tesla were"? I guess that sounds like I am putting words in your mouth, but its not possible to "unknowingly buy the car back with a salvage title", thats simply not possible since you have to sign paperwork to buy a car, and it will be there somewhere.
 
I have been a model S owner since 2018 had a minor bump up and the only Tesla body shop in my state totaled it. Unknowingly I bought the car back with a salvage title and have been driving as normal for 2 months. This weekend my wife was driving it and stopped to charge at a SC and nothing would work. Called Roadside and they suggested towing in so we did. This was the weekend and Monday morning Tesla service via the app informed me that is was no longer supported by the SC network. Has anyone on here ever got any response from anyone except the local tech department any help would be greatly appreciated. I know if conducted business like this I would not have one much less three. Tesla customer service needs an overhaul. Also I have a Plaid X on order now and a reservation on a Cyber Truck and I am a stockholder. I love the product but the customer service is boarder line incompetent.
Reach out to wk057 - I think he’s near you & can probably help
 
In the same spirit, I bought (I paid for) a car that can DC charge. If they want me to have a car that cannot DC charge, the very least they could do is a reimbursement. And if they don't like that my car can DC charge, maybe they can buy it from me, or recall it. Tesla has lost this kind of fights in the past (e.g. the case of a guy that bought a car with FSD, Tesla removed FSD afterwards, and in the end Tesla had to reinstate FSD and got a lot of this bad advertisement you all say it's trying to avoid).

On the other hand, this permanent disabling of supercharging (and potentially 3rd party DC charging) is NOT a software thing. It is a hardware thing. So your statement doesn't cover the original post of the thread.
We're talking salvage cars, right? In that case, you've already been paid for your car by the insurance company. Why would Tesla need to buy it back?

Aren't the safety features for charging be a software thing? I'm assuming the computer reads voltage, etc. and communicates with the charger - that's not hardware, that's software making the connection. You can still charge - just have to use Level 2 charging so it's going to take more time but you're not precluded from charging.
 
I'm wondering if the new Tesla CCS1 adapter will work on salvage 3s and Ys. The chademo and chademo emulating setec CCS1 adapter still work on my salvage 3, limited to 50kw. Back in mid-August Tesla flubbed and granted SC to some salvaged vehicles for a few days when supposedly updating software to allow for 3rd party DC charging with their new CCS1 adapter. That got shut down quickly and I'm guessing it's an easy software switch to disallow. I'm aware of Tesla's "no DC fast charging" on salvaged vehicles but to my knowledge they never cut the use of their chademo adapter for use on salvage cars, mine included, so the accuracy of their T&Cs are questionable. I believe that if they somehow cut DC fast charging on salvage title vehicles, whether it's use of their own chademo adapter, their new CCS1 adapter, or any 3rd party CCS1 adapter the emulates their own CCS1 adapter (similar to theme of Lectron and Tesla J1772 adapter) then legal pursuits against that act would prevail. This has been discussed a lot in various articles so I don't want to rehash the legal argument for or against. I'm just curious if anyone has any insight into whether the CCS1 adapter will work on salvage cars.
 
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I'm wondering if the new Tesla CCS1 adapter will work on salvage 3s and Ys. The chademo and chademo emulating setec CCS1 adapter still work on my salvage 3, limited to 50kw. Back in mid-August Tesla flubbed and granted SC to some salvaged vehicles for a few days when supposedly updating software to allow for 3rd party DC charging with their new CCS1 adapter. That got shut down quickly and I'm guessing it's an easy software switch to disallow. I'm aware of Tesla's "no DC fast charging" on salvaged vehicles but to my knowledge they never cut the use of their chademo adapter for use on salvage cars, mine included, so the accuracy of their T&Cs are questionable. I believe that if they somehow cut DC fast charging on salvage title vehicles, whether it's use of their own chademo adapter, their new CCS1 adapter, or any 3rd party CCS1 adapter the emulates their own CCS1 adapter (similar to theme of Lectron and Tesla J1772 adapter) then legal pursuits against that act would prevail. This has been discussed a lot in various articles so I don't want to rehash the legal argument for or against. I'm just curious if anyone has any insight into whether the CCS1 adapter will work on salvage cars.
I’ll know when it arrives from S Korea in a few weeks.
 

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It's my car and I do what I want with it. Including hacking it, exporting it and using it in any public charger I deem necessary. If Tesla doesn't like it, they can buy the car from me...
Or... they can block you from using their fast-charging system. I wouldn't necessarily call the Superchargers a "public charger", as ONLY Teslas can use them, and I completely understand them not wanting some "hacked" car shorting out at a SC station, leaving them stuck with paying perhaps thousands of dollars to repair it.

And I am pretty sure you knew all this before you started your hacking.