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SC inflated tires to 63 psi

rsg123

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My local SC rotated the tires on my S with 19” wheels, among a few other things, and when I drove away I felt that the ride was a little rough. It took a few minutes for the air pressure to update on the screen, but when it did I was surprised to see them set to 63 psi.
Is there any reason for them to do this or was it probably just an error?
 

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My local SC rotated the tires on my S with 19” wheels, among a few other things, and when I drove away I felt that the ride was a little rough. It took a few minutes for the air pressure to update on the screen, but when it did I was surprised to see them set to 63 psi.
Is there any reason for them to do this or was it probably just an error?

Probably error :(
 

aerodyne

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I have had other car dealers do this to me a few times.

To bad Tesla can't grow their own mechanics. It appears they mainly come from the ICE industry.

It would be wise to check with a gauge, just in case the TPMS is messed up (Unlikely on all 4)

You should let the SC know as well, perhaps they have a bad gauge.
 

rsg123

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Exceeds the rated pressure of the tire. Lucky it didn’t end in a blowout.

Wow, you are right. I didn’t know the max rated pressure for the tire is only 51 psi. I actually drove around town for a day like this :eek:
I just corrected the pressures and my accurate gauge showed 61psi in each of the tires.
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P100D_Me

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I've had this before from tyre places as well, one car I owned they had them at 45psi after I had an alignment done, label on the door said 35psi....how hard is it to read?

Your TPMS sys should have been giving you an over presser warning, strange it did not.
My TPMS often doesn't even show a PSI reading for any of the wheels and yet there is no warning on the cluster it's not working, the system is rubbish.
 
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dhanson865

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Wow, you are right. I didn’t know the max rated pressure for the tire is only 51 psi. I actually drove around town for a day like this :eek:
I just corrected the pressures and my accurate gauge showed 61psi in each of the tires.
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The max rating is COLD, as in you haven't driven the car in more than 4 hours at the coldest time of the day. It is safe to go over 51 PSI hot.

Don't let the air out until the tires cool off. Or if you already have, recheck the tires when COLD and add air to even things out or hit the correct Cold pressure.
 

David.85D

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I pay a lot of attention to tire pressure. The greatest pressure rise I have seen from street driving was 4 Psi.

There is no harm in setting the pressure hot, but they will be slightly under inflated when cold. Usually just 2-3 psi.
 
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dhanson865

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I pay a lot of attention to tire pressure. The greatest pressure rise I have seen from street driving was 4 Psi.

There is no harm in setting the pressure hot, but they will be slightly under inflated when cold. Usually just 2-3 psi.

The harm when setting hot in part is that you may have 4 different tire pressures. Tires that start at different pressures heat unevenly and if you set the pressure "equal" while hot they will then be unequal at any other temperature.

Also worth mentioning is that a severely underinflated tire will overheat to the point of failure. The more underinflated the tire the faster it will heat up. This can potentially hide a large difference in cold tire pressure.

Ever notice how a tire is round except for the part that's resting on the ground? That part is flat and flanked by short segments of bulging sidewalls because the tire is being pressed into the pavement by the weight of the vehicle on which it's mounted. As the tire rolls, that flattened section of tire pops back into its natural round shape, and the next section of tire is pressed flat, until the entire tire revolves and every part of it has been flexed flat and back again.

This constant flexing creates a tiny amount of heat, which adds up with time. A typical tire revolves roughly 750 times as it travels a mile. At 60 mph, that's 750 revolutions per minute. As the miles roll by, the tire gets hotter, which is why the tire pressure increases by about four pounds per square inch (psi) after a tire has been driven for a while.

If a tire's air pressure is too low, it will get even hotter because reduced pressure results in more flexing. Taken to the limit, maximum tire flex occurs when pressure is zero and the tire is flat. Increased load on the tire has the same effect because it causes the tire to flatten more at the contact patch. Higher speed also makes the tire hotter because it flexes more often. Finally, the outdoor temperature matters. Whatever the mix of tire pressure, load, and speed, a tire will get hotter when it's 90 degrees outside than when it's 30 degrees.

How hot does the tire get? Typical tires experience a temperature increase of roughly 50 degrees after running on the highway for a half-hour. If it's a 70-degree day, this suggests a tire temperature of about 120 degrees. If it's a hotter day, or you're driving faster, or you're hauling a heavier load, or your tires don't have the proper air pressures, they could get hotter. To limit these temperatures, some automakers recommend increasing tire pressures for heavier loads or sustained high speeds.

But if it gets hot enough, any tire will come apart, usually by shedding its tread in large strips from the tire carcass.

Thus you need to let them cool and re-equalize at your cold temperature. Anything else is a guessing game and affects the safety of your car and those on the road with you.
 
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I ended up keeping them a bit over-inflated, to 50 PSI hot. I have noticed slightly better efficiency and similar ride quality.

Overinflation will affect tire wear. Viewed from the front of the car, properly inflated, the tire will be flat on the ground. Over inflated will make the contact patch rounded. So a larger proportion of the weight of the car will be on the center of the tire so it will wear more than the inside and outside edges.
 
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jerry33

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Over inflated will make the contact patch rounded.
That is only correct for bias ply tires and radial tires with a small crown radius. Many radial tires have an almost infinite crown radius which isn't affected by higher pressures. Unfortunately, there is a lot of information concerning tires that is either obsolete or applies only in some cases. The best practice is to check the wear occasionally on your tires and adjust accordingly.
 

jerry33

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My local SC rotated the tires on my S with 19” wheels, among a few other things, and when I drove away I felt that the ride was a little rough. It took a few minutes for the air pressure to update on the screen, but when it did I was surprised to see them set to 63 psi.
Is there any reason for them to do this or was it probably just an error?
Tires should be checked cold first thing in the morning before driving more than one mile SLOWLY. So it depends on when you checked the pressure.
 

jerry33

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I ended up keeping them a bit over-inflated, to 50 PSI hot.
Tire pressure should be checked cold. Pressure is expect to increase while driving. 50 PSI hot might actually be underinflated depending upon circumstances.. The max cold pressure for the 19" tires is 51 psi cold.
 
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Let’s get this right, it wasn’t the SC that did this. It was an individual that works there.

The why:

1. Person doesn’t know what they are doing
2. Person doesn’t care what they are doing
3. Person was told to do it by another (superior to them) person and that person doesn’t know what they are doing
4. Faulty gauge

Your options:

1. Fix yourself, pretend it didn’t happen/move on
2. Fix yourself, report it to the desk jockey at the SC
3. Fix yourself, go to the SC/call SC, ask for manager and report it
4. Fix yourself, go to the SC, find out exactly who did it and them make them aware/ask them why/confront them
5. Don’t fix it, take car back to SC and make service fix it
6. Don’t fix it, take car back to SC, ask for manager so that there’s a higher level of awareness of what happened
 
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PhilDavid

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Let’s get this right, it wasn’t the SC that did this. It was an individual that works there.

The why:

1. Person doesn’t know what they are doing
2. Person doesn’t care what they are doing
3. Person was told to do it by another (superior to them) person and that person doesn’t know what they are doing
4. Faulty gauge

Your options:

1. Fix yourself, pretend it didn’t happen/move on
2. Fix yourself, report it to the desk jockey at the SC
3. Fix yourself, go to the SC/call SC, ask for manager and report it
4. Fix yourself, go to the SC, find out exactly who did it and them make them aware/ask them why/confront them
5. Don’t fix it, take car back to SC and make service fix it
6. Don’t fix it, take car back to SC, ask for manager so that there’s a higher level of awareness of what happened

I think you should let the SC manager know about this. If someone did this to your car, they may do it to others as well. THE SC Manager needs to know so they can look into their procedures and do better.

So what should the tire pressure be set at for 19" wheels?
 
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dhanson865

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I think you should let the SC manager know about this. If someone did this to your car, they may do it to others as well. THE SC Manager needs to know so they can look into their procedures and do better.

So what should the tire pressure be set at for 19" wheels?

That depends on a ton of variables. Here's a list from 2015 to give you an idea how you could end up with more than one answer for Tesla model S with 19" wheels. You'd have to be way more specific than that to get a proper answer. Best to look at the driver door jamb label on the car in question and you might even have to call Tesla to see if there was an updated door jamb label (the thread I pulled that image from was because Tesla changed the recommended tire pressure from 45 to 50 on one of the configs after they had been on the road for a while and put new door jamb labels out).

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To be clear that is outdated information, and wouldn't apply to current cars but the OP didn't say what year Model S he had did he?
 
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