If the dealer bought it from an auction, the auction will show up on Carfax. It won't say that it's a Tesla auction, but it's safest for you to assume that it was auctioned by Tesla.
If you want to find out for sure from the dealer, with proof, I guess you would have to ask the dealer to show you a copy of the back of the title document. Tesla would be listed as the most recent owner if the dealer bought it from a Tesla auction.
Thanks for some good info. Carfax doesn't mention Tesla at all, like you said, so I guess my ace in the hole method here would be to ask them to see if the title mentions Tesla as an owner... (ever?)
The challenge is, the guy hasn't move the car to his Tesla account to getting the package info on the cars is tricky. Is there ever another way to find out? Can they call Tesla or is it risky for them to keep checking and lose the options?
My suspicion of SC01 is based on the Tesla VIN look up tool with the code from evo-cpo website. But I also have the suspicion that the data there is stale because on the car infotainment, the I see Full Self Driving computer + Full Self Driving as "Included Package", but the VIN look up only shows HW2 and no self driving software. I assume the infotainment/Software Screen is the source of truth here?
Would you happen to know if there is a way to test FUSC without the car being associated with a Tesla account? If so, what is that method?
Tesla are an exceptionally petty company, run by a child.
The free premium connectivity and supercharging is MOST DEFINITELY stripped out - even as the company statements had been that it was retained for the "life of the vehicle" - all it takes is them getting their hands on the vehicle for a few minutes in between non-Tesla dealers.
That said - IF you have bought it with SC01 and premium connectivity - TAKE PHOTOS OF EVERY SCREEN AS PROOF in case that changes. Then you can go after them legally if they strip it at some point after you have taken delivery and gotten the car in your name. If you buy it with XYZ feature at the time, then it should remain with that feature.
My 2014 displayed "no recent supercharging" up until a software update around July or so this year, then it started saying $0.00 for each charging event - caused me no small amount of heartburn too, but nothing has changed and I've supercharged somewhere around 19,600 kWh this year since May. That's a decent bit of usage.
Thanks for sharing knowledge and yes, agreed on the pettiness of the company. Really, the only issue with their whole product line is their policies, customer support, probably driven by the man at the top.
The only pictures I can document are the infotainment/software information screen that shows Free Premium Connectivity and Full Self Driving computer and package included, despite the car being on its 3rd owner.
Can you recommend anything else I should look for or document? Like I asked above, is there a way to see if the car even has FUSC without the car being associated with a Tesla account?
If it was on the car at the dealer lot, I'd make a stink about it. Tesla should have removed it before that time, not after.
I do fully agree that Tesla can remove whatever the hack they want when they have the car, be it the FSD, FUSC, trunk mats, back seat. Heck, they can even kick a big ol' dent in the side. But, once it is out of their possession...
Again... Agreed on all counts! The sad thing is, with all the documentation in the world, they still won't budge and re-enable anything, would they? And I doubt they're scared of any litigation by one person, trying to buy a pre-owned S haha!
I really honestly don't know if they would reverse or me taking them to court will do anything
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