RacerChris
Member
That is disappointing to hear! I didn't realize that. I am going to stay in street this year and see what happens. I think the car should still be competitive.
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SCCA Autocross Class for the Model 3
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That is disappointing to hear! I didn't realize that. I am going to stay in street this year and see what happens. I think the car should still be competitive.
Definitely an SS car. I got pax by over 300 points today. Yesterday I had pax with a cone lol. Figuring the car out quickly...way way sick compared to the p85
I called the local Tesla dealer - they said you can't buy the car with the acceleration boost from the factory. Because of that it's considered a modification by SCCA rules and would have to be in ASP
superflyrolla
Member
Has there been any clarification on the Non-P Model 3 with acceleration boost classing? I don't think the Tesla dealer has any interest or knowledge in that subject. I imagine you could buy this option before you pick up the car, as soon as you have a VIN #, but bumping the car out of D street is also an great excuse not to spend $2k this summer.
SK360
Member
SCCA has taken the ultimate F You/Punt Route and moved ALL Model 3’s to SS effective immediately. Including SR RWD models. Complete joke.
SammichLover
Banned
SammichLover
Banned
What's the source on this, BTW? I downloaded the March 16, 2000 release of the Solo rules document off the official site and if I'm reading it correctly it lists everything non-performance in DS.
SK360
Member
https://www.scca.com/downloads/49413-2020-03-20-fastrack-solo-all-thru-april/download
Page 48.
#28043 Tesla Acceleration Boost Update the following listings in Appendix A: SS Tesla Model 3 Performance(all)(2018-20) DS Tesla Model 3 (excluding Performance)(2018-20) Due to the continual updates to the car from Tesla, such Dyno mode, Track mode version 2, etc, rather than re-classing the car for each update, the SAC is choosing to re-class all of the Model 3 variants to SS utilizing SCCA Fastrack News May 2020 Page 5 rule 3.2. The SAC would like to remind the membership of the pending new EV classes that will provide an additional outlet for these cars.
superflyrolla
Member
This is bad news IMO. Is this effective immediately? I'm already registered for June events in D street.
Someone needs to provide SCCA w/ a basic understanding of Teslas and EVs in general. It's not like a RWD TM3 will suddenly "gain" a front motor as a result of a OTA update.
SammichLover
Banned
The lack of basic knowledge is stunning. When searching through the Fastrack issues I notice this gem:
#28157 Tesla Model 3 Dual Motor
Thank you for your input. The SAC feels all variations of the Model 3 Performance are appropriately classed at this time.
Thank you for your input. The SAC feels all variations of the Model 3 Performance are appropriately classed at this time.
No, that isn't from 2 years ago. That was in March. Everything is a "Performance" or something?
SK360
Member
SammichLover
Banned
Yup. Have fun hanging out with the Porsches.
I was considering getting back out this fall. The SCCA events here aren't the best for just driving but compared to the BMW and Porsche club events I was grouped with a semblance of "similarly capable vehicles". If my times are going to get grouped into SS, and I won't necessary be driving the same heats so won't be able to do an unofficial realistic comparison myself, I might as well go to the BMW event and "compete" with the modded Lotus. At least I get more runs, and the paddock and pit isn't so crowded.
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SammichLover
Banned
Or straight up malice. "EV classes"? Expect some real "separate but equal" level nonsense there.
The SCCA is dead to me now, and I wouldn't be surprised if that's the hope. Learning new things is hard, new things are scary.
SK360
Member
I am not an SCCA member but was considering it, not a chance I will support them now. I run with a non SCCA club but they follow SCCA classing.
Their argument was more based on the acceleration boost, and how they can't predict how Tesla will improve the performance of the car going forwards.
They also reference some nebulous EV class (the announced EV-X which has no rules)
Basically they just don't want their gas cars to be out competed. Ignore the competition part, go run X class (time only) for fun and just compare your raw times with however you want.
They also reference some nebulous EV class (the announced EV-X which has no rules)
Basically they just don't want their gas cars to be out competed. Ignore the competition part, go run X class (time only) for fun and just compare your raw times with however you want.
SammichLover
Banned
I expect I'm not arguing with you but that's just lack of knowledge and understanding (and probably driving noise from membership at the Rules committee driven by a mix of jealously and paranoid). The freebie bumps tend to be really minimal impact, in comparison with the large granularity their classes inherently work on. On my AWD the HP boost had very near zero impact, since that didn't touch the curve below 50MPH.
Track Mode v2 might bring some tweaking benefit that matters some? It looks more aimed at road track support but configurability matters, I guess. Still they had already (in response?) reclassed the P back in March at the same time that update was rolling out. This isn't Super Secret stuff (and most assuredly Musk doesn't care enough to time a surprise release for Nationals or something, expecting that is just SCCA ego).
Further things like Acceleration Boost, which the owner has to explicitly purchase and add, can be blanket forbidden pending being added to a white list. Really easy to check purchased stuff, generally easier than a mechanical inspection eligibility challenge.
I know, I know, effort!
Yeah. Locally they have a made-up STO class that's basically "X". However for me locally the better (and cheaper) version of that are non-SCCA options. The only thing the SCCA potentially brings to the table here now is that their insurance allows non-instructor riders, where-as for the BMW and Porsche clubs you can only have two in a vehicle if one of them is an club approved instructor (either the driver or the rider), and that's not something I really care about.
I expect I'm not arguing with you but that's just lack of knowledge and understanding (and probably driving noise from membership at the Rules committee driven by a mix of jealously and paranoid). The freebie bumps tend to be really minimal impact, in comparison with the large granularity their classes inherently work on. On my AWD the HP boost had very near zero impact, since that didn't touch the curve below 50MPH.
Track Mode v2 might bring some tweaking benefit that matters some? It looks more aimed at road track support but configurability matters, I guess. Still they had already (in response?) reclassed the P back in March at the same time that update was rolling out. This isn't Super Secret stuff (and most assuredly Musk doesn't care enough to time a surprise release for Nationals or something, expecting that is just SCCA ego).
Further things like Acceleration Boost, which the owner has to explicitly purchase and add, can be blanket forbidden pending being added to a white list. Really easy to check purchased stuff, generally easier than a mechanical inspection eligibility challenge.
I know, I know, effort!
Yeah. Locally they have a made-up STO class that's basically "X". However for me locally the better (and cheaper) version of that are non-SCCA options. The only thing the SCCA potentially brings to the table here now is that their insurance allows non-instructor riders, where-as for the BMW and Porsche clubs you can only have two in a vehicle if one of them is an club approved instructor (either the driver or the rider), and that's not something I really care about.
Yea I was referring specifically to the rationale of moving the non-P model 3 (which can't have track mode) to SS. It's stupid.
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