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Seeing the world in autopilot, part deux

Discussion in 'Autopilot & Autonomous/FSD' started by verygreen, Sep 25, 2018.

  1. verygreen

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    what's 3DVD?
     
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    3d bounding box vehicle detection
     
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    no, they stick to their other way of doing it
     
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    Please keep in mind my request for this experiment! :) Some scientific results would truly inform the world’s perception of lidar and cameras!
     
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    In a lucky and unexpected reversal of fortune, Tesla decided to dissolve this latest blacklist for the unapproved v9 users. And to bring us in, they also pushed the 18.39.6 to us. This is a very welcome development and I am really happy Tesla made this latter choice and hopefully they'll avoid the blacklisting route in the future as well.

    Also after some more playing with ulc in the past week I found it to be mostly a novelty gimmick - good to try a few times, but definitely not something I would be using often since the car is often doing lane changes that don't make sense in the grand scheme of things, stays in the slow lane too much or moves to the left too close to an exit and such. I am not going to try and forcefully enable ULC for the time being as the result, since I need to watch the car like a hawk anyway, it makes things somewhat more stressful. Let's see when Tesla feels it's actually ready.
     
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    #306 strangecosmos, Oct 9, 2018
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    ULC = unconfirmed lane change?

    Interesting. Also disappointing it doesn’t work well yet. Funny how this is a problem of routing logic. Not something I ever thought of in an autonomous driving context before, except standard GPS roadmap navigation.

    But intuitively, this seems like it should be solveable because it seems like a problem that is easy to build rules around. Like “make sure you are rightmost lane X metres or X travel time before the exit you need to take”.

    Did you try Mad Max mode? Maybe it would get out of the slow lane more often.
     
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    ULC = uncommanded lane change

    I did not try MadMax mode, but it's more about how aggressively it pushes out of it's current lane when it wants to get out and there's other traffic. I do not live in a traffic jam country so I don't need it.

    Another annoying thing is (and I don't remember about reading it in the manual, though I might have missed it) when the car indicates it wants to change a lane and I think it's stupid, I don't know how to tell the car "no, don't do it" short of turning autosteer off.
     
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    Looks like i won't be kneeing to anyone, anytime soon.

     
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    LOL @Bladerskb. Very well done on the gif front.

    Anyway, those points in the clouds, poles and traffic signs... Seems to me Tesla gave up SLAM and went for something different
     
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    Yah, probably time for a ~8th NN rewrite?
     
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    @jimmy_d ‘s analysis of the v9 nn is long overdue :)))
     
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    Those points on poles and signs could be for visual HD maps, which of course are used for visual localization. No idea why the clouds would have points on them. Maybe just training the system to filter out the sky?

    Wait, are you testing it in the United States?
     
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    @verygreen Did you test ULC prior to the v9.0 release? If so, is it performing the same as before the black list or worse?

    @Bladerskb Elon tweeted that Tesla is ironing out edge cases for Drive on Navigation / ULC. Since when did a tweet not work out well for Elon or Tesla? You may want retract that gif when Elon irons out these edge cases in the 2020 v10.0 release ;)
     
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    there was no ULC prior to v9, only alc.

    Um, yeah, where else?
     
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    Perhaps they thought France? Youtubes:
    Paris streets and motorways in the eyes of autopilot at night 1 week ago
    French motorways in the eyes of Tesla Autopilot 2 weeks ago
    Paris streets in the eyes of Tesla Autopilot 2 weeks ago
     
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    Like I said in the video comments, that was just a conference demo.
     
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    Well, in a stunning case of "ask and ye shall receive" Tesla obliged your request and added 3d bounding boxes in 18.39.6

    (as always thnx to @DamianXVI for visualization and deciphering of data) (we are still debating how to bet visualize this)

    boxes.jpg
     
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    Awesome. Any way to pull the info for the side cameras and apply the info to what the side cameras are seeing like you’ve done for the front?
     
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    Yes. This is nearing completion now. I am trying to get some interesting/diverse footage. There are going to be some limitations of course, and the backup camera is so unreliable I think I am not going to even try to depend on collect that particular footage.
     
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