Has to respond to match 4 dead people and cause hundreds of accidents? I'm not following...
You don't quite get it.
Tesla Autopilot = Tesla Self driving software
GM Supercruise = GM's ADAS
BMW Assist = BMW's ADAS
AP is the extent of telsa's sdc and has 200+ employees. While other automakers is literally a team of acouple people. so when you look at honda, bmw, audi, gm and you judge their ADAS. You are judging a very small small team versus 200 at Tesla.
Can't you see the difference? When Tesla Head of Autpilot (anderson) left Tesla, he said he didn't want to work on ADAS. Which is what Tesla's team is working on.
Other companies however have a completely different team of people working on their SDC, similar number of people as tesla. Cruise has 200+ for example.
ADAS
Autopilot = 200+ people
Other Automotive Companies System = ~10 people
SDC
Tesla = 200+ people (Autopilot = SDC software)
Other Automotive Companies = ~200 people
Again its basic math. If audi wanted to do what Tesla is doing now, they would have done it.
The only one here pushing the industry is GM with supercruise.
Most Automaker is aiming for L3/L4 by 2019-2021 and we are 3 months away from 2019!
If automakers were to deliver in their 2019-2021. They would have a better software than Tesla.
The difference is that they are aiming for something much higher and are keeping it in house till they finish.
Tesla releasing V9 now doesn't make any claim that they are ahead. Infact it makes the claim that they are behind because this is the limits of their self driving software. If Tesla had released EAP in Dec 2016 like Elon vowed to do. Then you actually have some credibility to that claim. But the credibility would be that Tesla is at the same pace as regular slow automakers. But right now it seems like even tesla current ap state are slower than automakers and the reason is purely tech. Tesla basically handicapped themselves by not using mobileye.
It's not a matter of either one of us not getting it.
We both understand the history of AP, and the breakup between Tesla and MobileEye. We also both know that there are different approaches being taken by the various companies involved.
We both love Supercruise for what it offers.
We both think AP lacks the required sensor suite to enable full-self driving.
The difference between you, and I really comes down to your negativity towards Tesla. You almost seemed like you were excited to see V9 EAP driving in a different thread, but I couldn't tell if that was to mock it or out of actual interest.
You can't give the Autopilot team credit for what they accomplished in a relatively short amount of time. Sure there are problems like too many instances of false positives with braking. But, all in all it's pretty impressive given the turmoil/turnover. There is so much money in SDC that it's hard for any company in Silicon Valley to maintain employees.
I can tell where your anti-Tesla bias is by the very first thing you said. You accused AP of getting people killed, and causing crashes. But, you're not taking into account the number of people saved through ADAS technology. Sure you can say that AEB, FCW or LDW would have prevented the crashes, but people have to use them. The first thing I turn off any time I drive my moms Subaru is I turn off the LDW.
Then you went on to accuse me of not getting it when you described the difference in team size. The problem with that is that an automaker can always get the ADAS system from MobileEye so there isn't a huge need for a large team size. They're also established companies with lots of money so they can simply aquire a company like what GM did with Cruise or they can partner up.
What's funny about that one is it's a huge negative about Tesla. I think we both know Tesla would have been better off if they got things worked out with MobileEye, and continued to use their technology. You know Tesla is more risk taking than other companies. Where they recognize that more lives can be saved by taking risks than waiting. In recent times it seems like they've been more careful in adding things.
Now I do have a bias that I should acknowledge. That bias is the strong feeling like SDC won't be available in consumer cars. Instead the only way it will be available to consumers via commercial ride sharing companies. So you can ride within their white listed areas, but you can't own the vehicle.
So it's hard for me to get really excited by tech demos or promises without really understand the regulatory path towards something. As an example the real reason Audi isn't going to release the A8 with L3 capability in the states is the lack of any kind of national regulatory guidelines on it. Every state has its own rules. We don't even have a standard for V2V communication.
What I can get excited by is what Tesla is doing. Sure I completely disagree with some decisions like their unwillingness to partner up and the lack of rear radar (Uggh) But, as of now it's the best that a consumer like myself can get. Will it always fall short of what I want? Probably. But, it's tremendously exciting though. I'd rather drive a car, and experience things for myself versus spending my life watching tech demos and nagging on a forum about a car I don't even own. For me ADAS/SDC isn't the number one reason I buy a car at least not yet, but it's an important component. The Tesla was an easy decision because it's a long range electric vehicle with the ability to add the EAP/FSD options. The only other option was a Nissan Leaf with pro pilot (which isn't too shabby), but that didn't have the range or a supercharging network that I needed. There was also concerns over the battery longevity.
