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Self-driving cars UK Discussion

Yup, I agree.

It seems logical that the less interventions that are required, the less prepared the human component will be to make them.

If it ends up in a situation where your commute is done fully autonomously, and only exceptional events cause it to require intervention, then it follows that people will naturally become more and more complacent, and "tune out" of the experience of travelling in a car entirely. The driver will effectively become a passenger in terms of attitude.

This will be compounded further still by a desire by some, possibly many, to explicitly opt out of driving and do something else instead. They might try and sit in the passenger seat and put something on the drivers seat to trick the car into thinking someone is there, or they might try and read a book, or be totally engrossed in their phone, not even watching the road. I would hope the cabin camera stops all of that, but we'll see.

So yeah, I'm in agreement that there will be an inflection point at which the tech is good enough that people get complacent, but not good enough to allow it.
I ordered it at $12K in the hope that 10 years from now it will be much improved and I will not be. I'll be 84 years old.
Some cyclists break the rules, most do not. Some car drivers break the rules, most do not.
Right. It's hard to tell whether the proportion of cyclists who jump red lights is lower or higher than the proportion of drivers that break the speed limit. It's quite easy to convince yourself that in both cases it's the majority, but I'm not sure that's true.

We tend to notice the rule-breakers more than those who don't, which skews our perception...


Sep 17, 2021
I wish there were some option to opt out of UNECE regs. Bring on some personal responsibility and accountability!

There's a guy on here @joexn - who had/has access to a car that has either been rooted, or is "in testing" over here, and it can be summoned from across a car park like in the States, perfectly fine.

If my car wasn't under warranty I'd be seriously interested in the possibility of modifying the "ece_restrictions" and "eu_vehicle" flags in the configuration that basically lock our cars so badly down. Obviously it wouldn't mean we'd get FSD beta, but even so.

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Weirdly I didn't get a notification for this tag but yeah, car works completely fine and as expected without the ECE restrictions. If it wasn't for the ECE regulations, our cars would be identical to the Australian ones (RHD & not bound by UNECE so unrestricted).

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