Semi Summer tires

[UncertainTimes]

Some people just like to live by their own fantasy instructions manual.

 

[dsgerbc]

Wouldn't someone using seasonal sets of tires consider having three sets of tires?

• Summer tires for warm season.
• All season tires for cool with possible snow and/or ice season.
• Winter tires for lots of snow and/or ice season.

I have three seasonal sets, just instead of a semi-summer one I have a semi-winter one that doubles as a road-trip tire.
In SE MI, it gets cold-ish in December, but these days we typically don't get snow on the ground until January. Very little point in running full ice/snow winter tires before then, but the occasional snow/sleet make running summer tires impractical beyond November-ish.

 

[dsgerbc]

Summer tires are dangerous garbage in snow and also can potentially damage the tire if it's cold enough.


Said OP also mentioned they don't drive very aggressively-- so the better tires would primarily be providing benefit, to them, in shorter braking distances in an emergency.

Winter tires meant for snow/ice are dangerous garbage in the dry (and yet many people think the opposite is true) and one should get off them as soon as the chance of getting hit by a major snowstorm while driving passes.
MXM4 are hot garbage in general that's only good at minimizing rolling resistance. Any decent performance all-season or a summer tire would make OP safer in non-winter weather regardless of how they drive.

 

[holmgang]

Michelin expressly tells you flexing at all, not just driving, at 20 degrees on the tires can crack the compound and that is not covered by warranty

They even tell you inflating them at that temp can do it

So the "it's just legal CYA not an actual physical sciences issue" argument is utter nonsense. What's the legal CYA warning you not to add air to your tires exactly?

This requires neither a a science or a law degree to understand. It only need you to be less angry and pedantic:

A cold tire is brittle. Flexing it by driving on it, inflating it, deflating it, jumping on it, hitting it with a mallet can cause it to crack.

Where you're willfully blinding yourself is that a merely driving a tire on 20*F road does not make the tire itself 20*F. A tire that was not cold (e.g. came from a garage), and is supporting 1000# of load rolling at 60mph linear speed, will not lower itself to the brittle zone, because the ambient temperature is low.

For obvious reasons of practicality, they're not going to detail every parameter of that in the text. It's incredible when even lawyers are more pragmatic than you are right now.

 

[Knightshade]

This requires neither a a science or a law degree to understand. It only need you to be less angry and pedantic:

A cold tire is brittle. Flexing it by driving on it, inflating it, deflating it, jumping on it, hitting it with a mallet can cause it to crack.

Which is why the MFG tells you not to do those things if the tire is exposed to that.

Where you're willfully blinding yourself is that a merely driving a tire on 20*F road does not make the tire itself 20*F.

Your repeated personal attacks aside- that is not what Michelin says at all


here I am citing them for the third time.

Maybe actually read the words this time

Tires exposed to temperatures of 20 degrees F (-7 degrees C) or lower must be permitted to gradually return to temperatures of at least 40 degrees

Not "tires with a core temp of 20"

But Tires exposes to temps of 20 degrees.



Pro tip- when you find yourself in a hole. Stop digging.

Especially when most of your replies are either personal attacks or making up things the MFG never said while ignoring the actual words they used.

 

[holmgang]

Which is why the MFG tells you not to do those things if the tire is exposed to that.




Your repeated personal attacks aside- that is not what Michelin says at all


here I am citing them for the third time.

Maybe actually read the words this time




Not "tires with a core temp of 20"

But Tires exposes to temps of 20 degrees.

When you stick your hand in the freezer to grab the ice cream, does your hand instantly turn into an ice cube?
Do you need Frigidaire to explain that to you with an exposure chart and in text or can you work it out on your own?

Does the Pilot Sport have an abrupt chemical reaction triggered at 20.0*F, or is 20.1*F safe? Or is it actually 19.4*F converted from -7*C but they rounded the number for convenience? Is it the same threshold for all of their tires? Or maybe they understand reasonable people can work out the nuance?

Just a shame not everyone is reasonable.

 

[Knightshade]

When you stick your hand in the freezer to grab the ice cream, does your hand instantly turn into an ice cube?

Maybe if you make ANOTHER several dumb analogies that ignore that Michelin actually said someone will finally agree with you.

Keep digging my dude, china can't be far now!

 

[holmgang]

Maybe if you make ANOTHER several dumb analogies that ignore that Michelin actually said someone will finally agree with you.

Keep digging my dude, china can't be far now!

It's fascinating to observe your stubbornness battle your obsessiveness for your most prominent trait

 

[Knightshade]

It's fascinating to observe your stubbornness battle your obsessiveness for your most prominent trait

It's a shame you seem to have nothing to contribute but personal attacks and explicitly misreading the manufacturers own instructions.

 

[KG2V]

Just as a FYI - I decided to go with the
Pilot Sport 4 All Season
Now to wait for Discount Tire Direct to get them to my mechanic to install them, then the car gets aligned