huh. i would have figured you'd be a fan of the keycard, as it most resembles the keys of old compared to fobs and phones. you have to take it out when you get in the car. You have to use it once in the car (unless you start the car within 15 sec). The keycard is not susceptible to the elements, just like your key.
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Serious security issue with phone as a key
- Thread starter Kreten
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huh. i would have figured you'd be a fan of the keycard, as it most resembles the keys of old compared to fobs and phones. you have to take it out when you get in the car. You have to use it once in the car (unless you start the car within 15 sec). The keycard is not susceptible to the elements, just like your key.
Chickenlittle
Banned
Not going to read this entire thread but you can either
-switch device to your other tesla car then doesn’t act as a key until switched back. Or
-turn ap off or sign out of it
Doing either of the above will allow you to leave in car
Even after reading this thread it happened to me today (lol)...
Drove to grocery store, and placed my iPhone in the center console to charge.
Went to get groceries only to remember that I left my phone in the car about 10 min later....
ran out of the store and luckily phone was still in the car (and no one drove off in my Tesla!)
Drove to grocery store, and placed my iPhone in the center console to charge.
Went to get groceries only to remember that I left my phone in the car about 10 min later....
ran out of the store and luckily phone was still in the car (and no one drove off in my Tesla!)
Sandiegodoug
Active Member
Yep
Done that before too. The new horn signal
upon locking has helped. I listen for it as I walk away
Done that before too. The new horn signal
upon locking has helped. I listen for it as I walk away
Even after reading this thread it happened to me today (lol)...
Drove to grocery store, and placed my iPhone in the center console to charge.
Went to get groceries only to remember that I left my phone in the car about 10 min later....
ran out of the store and luckily phone was still in the car (and no one drove off in my Tesla!)
I did that today too but in front of my house. Went back out in 2 mins.
Have a model S loaner. Saw on last update that they specifically only aded one feature. You can add a PIN number for security in order to drive the car? So perhaps this is the only extra security measure to prevent any shenanigans? Not sure if this is on the Model 3 yet since I'm still waiting on mine....but must be universal....
Same thing happens when you set your phone to unlock your computer, or your watch to unlock your phone. Don't leave the bluetooth proximity key inside the thing you're trying to lock. Otherwise it's in close proximity and the car will unlock. I'm not sure what I'm missing here, or why this is confusing to people.
As for people leaving phones inside their car, what magical place do you live in where someone won't smash your windows to steal your $700 pocket computer? Leaving anything of value in the main cabin of a car is just begging for the wrong kind of attention.
As for people leaving phones inside their car, what magical place do you live in where someone won't smash your windows to steal your $700 pocket computer? Leaving anything of value in the main cabin of a car is just begging for the wrong kind of attention.
Actually with my 2014 Lexus, if my wife left her key in the car, the keyless entry is disable and it requires me pressing my key fob buttons to lock or unlock it. I thought most keyless entry system has this security feature in place??
Garlan Garner
Banned
First of all....that was insanely stupid on his part. That's the primary security issue.
NEVER log someone else in on your account.
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Pretty much the only reason I use auto-fold on the mirrors is so I can see if the car is locked.
But the honk helps, too.Spokane, WA.
When I lived in rural North Dakota nobody locked their doors.
On my recent road trip in Canada, I had my phone propped up where it was easy to see so I could use Google Maps in an area where the car was not getting a signal. I forgot to take it with me. Came back 20 minutes later. Car was unlocked, of course, and the phone was right where I'd left it.
dgpcolorado
high altitude member
That's a big city concern. There are plenty of rural areas, such as mine, where people don't need to lock cars and houses.
I'd like to visit the Fremont factory but with all the reports of smashed windows in Teslas, I'm afraid to drive in or park my car in the Bay Area! (It isn't as if I could just leave my car empty while traveling.)
int32_t
Tesla Spotter
This horn feature sounds useful but concerns me … is it like the lock/unlock horn on other cars that makes everybody within 20 ft jump out of their skin? Or is it a polite chirp?
When it happens while the car is in the garage and I'm right next to it, it makes me jump. But in an open parking lot when I'm 20 feet away from it it sounds more like a polite extremely quick honk.
Easy enough to try it out, and if you don't like it, turn it off again.
There are no people in North Dakota, so that barely counts.
I live in the suburbs. I leave nothing in my cars that would attract any attention ever. Assholes live everywhere, not just in cities.
Not to derail this thread but I discovered something else about using the phone with a Model 3. If you turn your phone off while driving and then get out of the car and walk away, the car will not lock. I discovered this on my way to work the other day. My phone was acting flaky so I turned it off as I entered the parking lot, intending to cycle power. I exited the car, walked into the building, and turned my phone back on while out of range of the car. I had assumed that when the car no longer sensed the phone, it would lock itself. Not the case. I checked an hour later and discovered that the car was unlocked the entire time.
That's an interesting development. Have you filed a bug report? I wonder if they've done that to prevent you from locking your powered off phone in the car, or if this was an oversight. Technically the BLE receivers would issue a notification to the software that the device has gone our of range when you power it off. So I'm wondering if actively driving triggered a not-tested condition.
RayK
Active Member
My guess as to what happened: The car was already locked while you where driving. You turned your phone off. If the car recognized that your phone was out of range, it didn't matter as the car was already locked. You stopped, put the car in park and got out. The car didn't see the phone leave the area so no autolock. Seems normal to me. That's why I've been using the keycard since day one.
This is not a "bug" in the system; it's an inherent weakness of the phone-as-key system. If the phone is off, the car cannot detect it. Therefor it cannot react to its position.
I just came back from a long trip. I had turned BT off because I didn't need it while traveling and didn't want the added battery drain. When I got back and the car demanded the key card, I didn't think anything of it because sometimes that happens. I went into the store, and of course the car did not lock. When it still didn't lock when I got home the second day, I thought of checking, and saw that the phone's BT was off. The car was indeed acting "properly," which is to say, not responding to the phone because it couldn't "see" the phone. But it left my car vulnerable because I normally don't need BT for anything other than the car.
It's pretty damn good that they only made three stupid decisions when designing this car. (Using the phone as the key, the glass roof, and using AT&T as the cell carrier.)