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Service says $22k for new battery on 2012 Model S
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So that is the new 350V battery. Did they change any of the wiring and anything in the cooling system? I'm sorry, but I doubt very much that you are going to see anything near 250kW charging. I would be surprised if you get 150kW at any point.
Did someone at Tesla tell you that you would be getting a up to 250kW charging rate?
On a positive note, you got a lot more range than the old battery.
I am pretty sure the designator is a tied to the VIN? I have the same set-up as this individual (90kwh battery), and I don't recall it saying P90. I'll try to remember looking next time I "start" the car.
aerodyne
2 of 3 EV's - Defect Free!
They should have least thrown in a new tailgate badge...
Jason Bloomberg
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It is supposed to display "Signature P90" but they need to fix it. It used to display "Signature P85" and now displays "Signature S". They are going to see if they can do an OTA fix. They know I'm not happy about it.
Jason Bloomberg
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100 kWh is not an upgrade option. See article at link for details.
Tesla Model S Units Without 100 kWh Battery Can't Upgrade To One
Gruber Motors tells us why you can’t upgrade older Tesla Model S units that had no 100 kWh battery pack with one: it is a matter of hardware and safety.
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Jason Bloomberg
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They asked me about the badge, I wanted to keep the original P85 on the exterior and they were supposed to update the graphics in the car to P90. They are working on that.
Jason Bloomberg
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I was told by Tesla that it will charge at V3. 250kW for any Tesla is only under ideal conditions, so anyone who actually expects to get that will be disappointed. Keep in mind our original battery could never charge faster than 90 kW and mostly charged at 30 - 45 kW during most Supercharging sessions. The new battery is already perform way better than that.
I've charged once with a somewhat cold battery in cool weather conditions after it was parked outside at work overnight. With ~43% SOC it charged at 110 kW on the V2 charger in Cheyenne and was at 100% in 40 minutes. The original battery would have taken more than an hour. I don't normally charge to 100%. This was an experiment because the original battery would keep throttling down charge as it got closer to full and would take so long I was never at risk for "idle charges". This one requires much closer attention to "charge complete". It's predicted charging time is accurate.
No wiring changes were needed for the upgrade but a mounting part and rear air conditioning drain were changed as part of the process.
There are many positives to the upgrade. We are happy to have done it. Next weekend we will travel to the Denver area and get our first chance to try a V3 Supercharger.
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aerodyne
2 of 3 EV's - Defect Free!
I also have hit 100+ kW at the chargers on a regular basis, and I've documented that on my thread here (2012 Model S P85 Battery Replacement Receipt - sharing is caring).
Note: Mine doesn't display P## or ## or anything in the lower right corner of the display.
ucmndd
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The 350v 90 pack (14 100kwh-style pack modules) is a real “90”. Well, ~89.6 kWh.
((102.4 kwh actual capacity of 100 pack) / 16 modules) x (14 modules in 350v pack) = 89.6
aerodyne
2 of 3 EV's - Defect Free!
I forgot! I stand corrected.
Bjorn Nyland needs to do a range test on these new 90 packs....
I think the Tesla person may have misunderstood your question as if you can charge at a V3 charger and not at how fast, because there is no way you are going to get anything above 150kW under any conditions.
It would be cool if you could find a V3 charger and try it out. I have the 85kWh version of the same battery and I'm not seeing any significant improvement in max kW when charging.
There is NO core discount, but there is a charge if you want to keep the battery.
$22k = new battery in your car and they keep the old battery
$22k + $15k (approx.) = new battery in your car and YOU keep the old battery*
*You can buy used batterypacks in the $12k +/- range, if you have some other project or endeavor you wish to embark upon.
Ah. I was going to say you were told wrong, but that does seem like just miscommunication. Like: "Can this charge at a V3 station?" "Yes, it is compatible with that."
The battery pack was not the only limiting factor. When Tesla built the 3 and then Y, they used thicker cables to carry the current in the car to enable the faster charging speeds. The S and X have thinner cables and can't support that.
aerodyne
2 of 3 EV's - Defect Free!
The truth may be somewhere between 130 and 190, as the 90 ish replacement for the 400V 85 pack is only 350v.
I'd be interested in this replacement pack in a few years, if my current 85 pack fails.
ucmndd
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So at the same current that translates to about 166kw on a 350v pack.
So Supercharging at more than 150 kW might be possible. We could find out for certain next weekend, assuming @Jason Bloomberg's battery is preconditioned and at the optimal SoC.
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