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Setec CCS to Tesla Adapter

Discussion in 'Supercharging & Charging Infrastructure' started by Boeingpilot, Dec 29, 2020.

  1. mociaf9

    mociaf9 Active Member

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    That's who they were talking about when they said "Volkswagen's network". Electrify America's funding is from VW as part of their dieselgate settlement.
     
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  2. ericj5

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    I'm running firmware 139 on my Model X and getting about 78kW on different EA chargers the last few days. Will do 200 Amps all the way up to about 75% or so until the car tapers. Took a crappy video here while holding my kid...

    It actually seems pretty reliable now. I've charged about 60kWh worth in 3 different places in the last week with no problems.

    Happy to have it now as a backup or additional location options in crowded SoCal. When the v2 and urban chargers are >50% full, there's no speed loss in choosing an EA location. Probably makes less sense for 3/Y over the official chademo adapter though
     
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  3. quantumslip

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    Random theory as to why that's the case: the S and X, using the CCS adapter in Europe, can go higher than 200A so that code base has a higher software limit, so dc fast charging at a non-Tesla charger doesn't have that limit. On the other hand, the Model 3 officially only supports the Chademo adapter, so they've capped it at 125A for non-Tesla DCFC because there isn't anything today that supports >125A. When the CCS1 adapter comes out in Korea, I suspect that the cap will be raised.

    Of course Tesla could have made it so that S&X in NA could have only charged at 125A while other cars in different regions could go higher, but maybe they wanted to keep it simple.

    The question at that point is if the power limit change would be rolled out to all Model 3s with the NA port or just to the cars in Korea.
     
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    You are confused about the urban chargers > 50% full remark as they are not shared.

    From the Tesla blog and many other articles:

    Supercharging
    Supercharging Cities
     
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    i’m not, i just meant they’re always slow so i don’t consider using them unless it’s a busy weekend and there’s high usage elsewhere
     
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    OK, it was just confusing because you said > 50% ("urban chargers are >50% full") so that is what I was documenting with references.
     
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    #307 Boeingpilot, Feb 20, 2021
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    Ok, seems that EVGO is on to the Setec adapter, and just issued a change in terms of service. To quote the email I got

    "Authorized Charging Adapters
    For your safety, EVgo only permits the use of automaker-manufactured charging adapters on EVgo charging stations or with EVgo’s charging network (“Authorized Adapters”). EVgo prohibits the use of all other adapters (“Unauthorized Adapters”) on EVgo’s network and charging stations.

    Prohibition of Home-Built Electric Vehicles, Modified Vehicles, and Modified Chargers

    Similarly, EVgo prohibits the use of all home-built electric vehicles, home-built onboard chargers, and vehicles that contain personally-modified chargers (“Unauthorized Vehicles and Chargers”). "

    I suspect they consider the Setec an 'unauthorized adapter'. Not that they could really enforce this, but I guess if you burn your car up, or toast their charger, they could have a claim against the user for damages. I wonder if this was motivated by both YouTube reviews and / or Tesla

    Ironically, one of the earlier tests I did with the Setec on my Model S was the 50kw EVGo on the NJ Tpke, and it worked flawlessly.

    This all said, perhaps posting on social media 'success' using the Setec on EVGo should be restrained
     
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    How would they know? Is part of the CCS protocol to have the car/adapter tell the charging station what brand/model it is?
     
  9. mociaf9

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    I would view this as more of a CYA statement more than a basis for claiming damages. You know, should your car be damaged while charging via the adapter on an EVgo station, if you sue they can point to this as a legal protection because yours wasn't an approved use.
     
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  10. Janus

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    Yeah, I think this is happening for liability reasons. L3 charging uses a ton of energy, and even a minor problem can cause serious damage to the car, charger, and nearby humans/structures/etc.

    Also, if you use a 3rd party adapter, and it breaks the EVgo charger, this gives them the right to sue you for the cost of repairs.
     
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    Thanks. You beat me to the punch. Someone at EVgo changes terms of service also posted the contents of the email which I haven't received yet.
     
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  13. scottf200

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    Suggest the testers help them with the wording on this. It sounds pretty awkward/odd.
    [​IMG]
     
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    This sounds like a skit on Jimmy Fallon/Tonight show, where he takes a song, translates it via Google Translate to another language, then back to English :)

    Wonder when the Tesla OEM one will be available. There was talk about it last year for the US market...
     
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  15. mtf16

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    My best guess is that they are trying to say:
    * When CCS combo 1 is the only available plug, you cannot charge the US market Teslas. In this case, you will need our CCS adapter.
    * The adapter has two sides. One side is the CCS combo 1 receptacle, the other side will plug in to Tesla cars.

    Nothing special, just very awkward translations.
     
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  16. Uneaqs

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    I didn't the read the whole thread, so apologies if this is well known already. I just returned my charger adapter to Setec (at my cost) after attempting to use it at an Evgo station. It threw 'communication with car failed' errors. I attempted to update the firmware, but their garbage updater app kept crashing and my laptop didn't even detect the charger when plugged in. Overall negative experience and wish I hadn't bothered. I was just happy to escape with most of my money.
     
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