Yes, but to their credit they are responding to changing market conditions and at least trying to fix the problem.
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Setec CCS to Tesla Adapter
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scottf200
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stopcrazypp
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Yeah, that's the official Tesla Combo 2 adapter. That had been out for a while already. Note the "CCS-1" on the charger is simply referring to slot 1 on the charger, not the CCS1 we are currently discussing on this thread. You can see on the holder itself it's a Type 2 port on the top half, not J1772.
Tesla slashes price of CCS retrofit for Model S and Model X
scottf200
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I was simply showing the size of it relative to the vehicle and plug. I would expect CCS-1 and CCS-2 adapters to be *very* close to the same size.
I too have no Windows machine (Linux household) to update the Setec firmware but managed to get a Windows virtual machine working in VirtualBox. VB is open source and I downloaded the Windows vm directly from Microsoft. It's a developer evaluation copy with a 10 day expiry, but I can reload the image whenever I need to work with Setec firmware. The Windows image is live, so it's ready to run upon loading, with no further installation needed.
I managed to install the Setec drivers and can run the capture tool. The capture tool reported the currently installed firmware v150 when I turn on the Setec adapter, so the connection appears good. I suspect this is sufficient when I need to update the Setec firmware.
This will also allow me to collect data and contribute to Setec's ongoing efforts.
Exelion
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After reading so many CCS2/CCS1 responses, could it be as simple as a daisy chaining a...
CCS1 ---> CCS2 ---> Tesla
As in, CCS1 to CCS2 adapter, then CCS2 to tesla? Probably not that simple but one can dream right?
CCS1 ---> CCS2 ---> Tesla
As in, CCS1 to CCS2 adapter, then CCS2 to tesla? Probably not that simple but one can dream right?
There was a company not too long ago selling a CCS1 -> Tesla passthrough adapter. It didn't work on NA cars, though. I'm not sure what happened to them.
EDIT: This was it: Tesla US CCS1/CCS2 (400A) - Seems like it might work on some Model X or S cars?
The upper part only has 3 holes. Attached is a US CCS1 plug with 5 pins in the upper part. Tesla's adapter will need to accommodate the additional pins.
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If you have a European Tesla, yes. Otherwise the Tesla adapter won't plug into your car.
I just reconfirmed that a 2019 LR can still charge at EA using the Setec CCS1 adapter (V.150) after updating to 2021.24.4. I initially charged while still on 2021.12.25.7 (47kW), updated in situ and charged again at 47kW. Figured I'd just add another confirmation on the Model S. Not new news, but another data point.
I get what you're saying. I realize they are outside the country with a different set of conditions. But they have not tried twice and still not gotten a fix. Do we now how the 3/Y is identifying the SETEC vs CHADEMO?
Here's a what-if. Isn't the CHADEMO adapter more then a dump pass-thru (people have mentioned there's firmware in there). Each adapter might also have a serial number. Tesla could just be checking the adapter against a list of of authorized serial numbers. SETEC could try to close a serial number but Tesla could easily notice that (too many people using the same serial number).
Tesla should really bring out their own adapter. For a "dump" adapter they have to replace a module in the car. This will get more irritating when Tesla opens up the Superchargers to other EVs. They can use ours, but we can't use theirs?
Long term, we somehow need to get to 1 charging standard.
Exelion
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Worst thing about standards is that we have so many of them-and everyone thinks theirs is the best!
I do agree though. Now that CHAdeMO is effectively dying off that leaves just two, CCS1 and Tesla. With a Tesla (official) Tesla to CCS1 adaptor Then all Teslas are pretty much covered for the long haul.
As far as other makes cars are concerned, not really wanting to see non-Teslas filling up the supercharger bays, especially on crowded holiday drives, but we’re probably heading that direction too.
Look at it this way, the limiting factor on site installation right now is availability of site partners.
Having more cars filling them up can fix that and can only help us in the long run.
Tesla is really aggressive in expanding when they have opportunities to do so.
The SETEC definitely identifies itself as Chademo to the car but it must not be doing a perfect job of emulating the Tesla Chademo adapter. And even if it was, yes, all charge connectors report their serial numbers to the car so it could be that simple as well. But there is more smarts and complexity to the setec, it has its own contactor and delays high voltage to the car after the charger ramps up.
Really wish I had a chademo adapter so I could trace and log them side by side.
MSHampton
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Crazy postman just posted video trying 3 new firmware files setec sent him. All three still fail, but at least it shows they are working on it from their end.
bobby g
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The opening up the SC's to all is disturbing. Currently it's one of Tesla's biggest perks but there are waits sometimes. Opened up we lose the perk and probably gain more waits. I don't think any earnings it will generate will be offset by sending buyers to other makes. It does fit with the mission statement but...
Elon has already announced that Tesla will be opening up superchargers to other brands. Speculation is that they're doing this to capture some of the infrastructure $$ that is pending in congress.
bobby g
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That's cool if they do it by expanding and adding ccs1 stations. If they were to do that and make an adapter available it would be a win all around.
Either an adapter(s) needs to be released, new stations will include a CCS plug or new vehicles will use the Tesla plug natively. None of those options really threaten to overrun superchargers with non Tesla cars anytime soon and even if they decide to retrofit some of the older stations, I highly doubt it would be the congested ones.
If they add a CCS (and maybe even a chademo) on a supercharger, it may suddenly even be viable to start filling in a bunch of secondary routes and rural areas that previously wouldn't have been economically viable.
Yeah, tbh, these capacity concerns are overblown in general. EA was giving away free charging all weekend! I used two of their sites with the CHAdeMO adapter and saw one other vehicle the whole time.
There just aren't _that_ many non-Tesla folks actively doing this. Maybe that will change, but by then the SC network can grow dramatically too.
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