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Should I add FSD at delivery?

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So I should be picking up my custom MS75 in the next few weeks (can't wait!). Ordered and looking forward to EAP (yes with all it's faults). I did not order FSD yet. Some thoughts/questions on FSD, if it ever is actually released:

Can I add FSD at delivery for the 3k price?
If FSD is added and 1,2,3+... years down the road it isn't delivered can I get a refund?

The main reason I am thinking of adding it now is the 3k (or 4k after delivery) option could go to a 10k option years in the future after Tesla figures out what hardware/software is really needed to make it work.
 
Thanks and I have read most of those articles. I agree FSD is going to be much more difficult, expensive and take longer than anyone thought. My thought is by locking it in now at 3k will be much cheaper when it is officially available in the future, probably for much, much more $. There is no doubt in my mind that hardware upgrades (above 2.5) will be required to make FSD work, once Tesla figures that out the cost of the FSD option will go up significantly.

The main question is would Tesla issue a refund upon request for an unimplemented option?
 
My thought is by locking it in now at 3k will be much cheaper when it is officially available in the future, probably for much, much more $.

If a board upgrade is required for existing owners that purchased FSD, Tesla will need to upgrade. But for those who didn't purchase the option, I don't believe Tesla would be under any obligation to upgrade their cars. They might as part of purchasing FSD after-sale. They might not if it's too much hassle.

So just another thing to consider. Place your bets. :)
 
I got it as part of the order for financing and to lock in the price. So, whatever. :D I don't even know if you get it 'at delivery' are you paying the pre- or post-delivery price!

There's been much discussion as to if it would cost more than the $1000 USD extra later or less, and it's a crapshoot, since we have no idea what may be involved in doing it. If it takes a *ton* more hardware to really do it, perhaps it will be a lot more. I can't see it being less.
 
I would check with your delivery specialist about the $3k FSD add-on before delivery. I would check very soon.

I decided to get FSD on my car which I took delivery on 9/28/2017. AP2.5. Like you very familiar with the status of things.

Like another person said I believe that if you purchase FSD and they need to upgrade the hardware they will for free. Depending on the upgrade I would expect the price of FSD at that time could be higher then $4k.

I do not think FSD will be Level 5 for an extremely long time. Maybe not even on my current car.

However, I do think FSD will come out in small updates much like what is happening with EAP.

I think service street driving and red light detection and stop sign and more are part of FSD and will not be part of EAP. That is the part I would expect to come out to cars that have FSD.

I find that AP works very well for me and very happy I bought it. Not concerned about the extra $3k decision since I purchased the car and plan to keep it a long while.

Lease vs. Purchase. If you are leasing the car then maybe the $3k option should not be added. But on a purchase unless you keep cars a very short length of time then I would get it if that is something important to you.
 
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Exactly... I forgot to add, since it's been so long, that we are supposed to be getting features in FSD that aren't 'Full Self Driving' but are other useful things (remember the infamous '3 months, 6 for sure'? :D ).

But no matter when that happens, it will happen long before we actually get 'FSD: go to sleep in the back seat FSD'.
 
I decided not to go with FSD yet - it'll be in my next car.

Tesla are a loooooooong way from having EAP/AP2 ready for the general public
(at least from my experience). It can barely drive on a motorway reliably, and definitely
not on smaller highways and around town. All of these must be flawless for
FSD. Fortunately they are working pretty hard on EAP.

Others are much much closer than Tesla to achieving FSD. If Tesla would incorporate
the work of (say) Waymo... that would be pretty exciting.
 
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I'm totally in favor of everyone paying for FSD now, although of course it's very doubtful that these cars will ever actually be capable of FSD.
However, by the time I replace my Tesla, while FSD likely still won't work, I am confident that current customers' donations will make AP work very well.
 
Unless Tesla puts terms into the purchase agreement or an addendum, or provides some other official, binding, documentation, we really don't know what Tesla is going to do in the future with FSD.

In the absence of any official statements, any comments about free hardware upgrades, future activation pricing, potential refunds - are speculation, and may or may not be Tesla's policy.

We don't know what will happen if Tesla determines AP2.0 or AP2.5 hardware is insufficient to achieve the EAP or FSD goals.

If a hardware upgrade is needed, we don't know if Tesla will provide those for free or if they would require the customer to pay for the upgrade.

Or if the hardware can't be upgraded to achieve EAP or FSD, we don't know if they'll offer a refund.

We can guess at what they should do - but those are only guesses.

For any customers with concerns about this, I recommend reading the Purchase Agreement terms and discussing this with Tesla before placing your order. For customers purchasing EAP/FSD on an S/X, the $8K is about 8-10% the cost of most purchases. But for the Model 3's that $8K is going to be a significantly higher percentage of the purchase price (almost 20% of the cost for a $35K Model 3) - it will be interesting to see if Model 3 customers expect (demand) to have more details about what they are getting for the $8K being spent on features that aren't working yet (and might never be delivered).
That said, we ordered both EAP & FSD on our S 100D, and will likely do the same for our Model 3, whenever they start selling them to real customers.
 
EAP is totally worth it right now IMHO. FSD features are a long ways off from what I can tell. So I did not pay for FSD on mine. And I would not recommend a friend pay for it now either. If Tesla surprises us and pulls a magic rabbit out of the hat, then I will gladly pay the premium. But I'm doubtful it will come in the life of my car to be honest.

The only valid reason to pay for it now is if you want to help fund Tesla's future development with essentially a free loan.
 
Tesla may not be able to book the revenue for EAP or FSD until they have the functionality working.

If that's the case, the only benefit Tesla gets in having the funds now would be the interest on those funds.