when do the 2020 model drop or be offered to buy?
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when do the 2020 model drop or be offered to buy?
I predict you're wrongI predict $3k price drop in February 2020.
Flat out, I see no advantages to waiting to Jan 1. That’s probably going to be one of the more expensive times to order.
Best would be the end of the quarter, but with delivery location focus changing and tax credit ending, right now may be the best.
Does even a few thousand dollars make such a big difference? If so, then you should probably be looking at some other vehicle.
Well, most ppl seem to be weighing in on the side of ordering ASAP. Have to admit, I'm leaning that way myself.
BUT, one scenario still worries me: If the car doesn't look like it's gonna make delivery by Dec 31, and I then cancel. I think Tesla may have a rule now where if I do that, I can't re-order the same model for a year. That would suck, as I'd want to re-order the instant there was a price reduction in Q1 (if that happens), or until I got sick of waiting for a cut (probably before end of Q1).
Aside from that bit of possible suckitude, seems like I should try to order by Halloween. Still see Tesla screwing up the delivery somehow though, either on time or on quality.
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You're worried about hypothetical problems you don't have yet.
You should buy a Toyota
Well, most ppl seem to be weighing in on the side of ordering ASAP. Have to admit, I'm leaning that way myself.
BUT, one scenario still worries me: If the car doesn't look like it's gonna make delivery by Dec 31, and I then cancel. I think Tesla may have a rule now where if I do that, I can't re-order the same model for a year. That would suck, as I'd want to re-order the instant there was a price reduction in Q1 (if that happens), or until I got sick of waiting for a cut (probably before end of Q1).
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The no re-order rule only applies to a returned vehicle, not a cancelled order. If you show up to pick up your car and it has damage or quality issues you can simply request a different VIN. It’s no different than changing your mind about the color choice. There is no penalty for that and you would not be expected to take delivery of a car that is damaged anyway. You may just have to wait until another VIN in your trim and color combination becomes available.
With the new policy, you are out only $100 MAX if you order now and cancel.
Out nothing if you switch to another Telsa. Out $100 if you decide to wait or not buy a Tesla.
As mentioned the no-reorder rule for 12 months is for 7 day return windows to discourage those as they are very costly to Telsa (any cars returned within the 7 days Telsa has to sell as used and no one gets to claim the Federal Tax credit)
I agree with all except the "no one gets to claim the Federal Tax credit"
I'd be curious to see if there is ruling about this from the IRS since it's all about the buyer intent and no one else has Tesla's generous return policy. I guess it depends on how many people did this.
I am sure many things get past the IRS without them double checking so it is possible but is definitely against the rules and you would be in trouble if they did discover it.
I don’t predict anything as the backlog in the US is growing, growing, growing - and the lack of cars is probably softening demand as the backlog grows. You can’t outthink Tesla as Tesla doesn’t act normally.
Order the car today, you may just get it by the end of the year. The backlog of orders will probably not result in lowered prices. In fact this “self-inflicted” US backlog is partially artificial - as Tesla apparently has never held back North American production this long.
I just don't see any possible price decreases - and a thousand here or there (if it happened) is really not much of an incentive anymore.
You could claim pretty much of anything, but the IRS will not be easily able to cross reference it. The IRS does lots of "technical audits" when people do things like forget to include a K1 or 1099 - and have lower income. The IRS gets copies of all that, so it is crazy to try to mess with it.
The EV tax credits will eventually get targeted. When things get targeted, the IRS will pull your return for an audit if it sees a trigger for an audit. The $1875 for an EV credit is far less that it would cost you to defend an audit (if you had an accountant).
You just don't want to be in the IRS's sights - it is not worth it. They can make your life very miserable. They got my brother many years ago - attached every cent he ever tried to bank, etc. They couldn't have picked a more deserving person to nail - and they made sure they got everything they wanted and more.
You could claim pretty much of anything, but the IRS will not be easily able to cross reference it. The IRS does lots of "technical audits" when people do things like forget to include a K1 or 1099 - and have lower income. The IRS gets copies of all that, so it is crazy to try to mess with it.
The EV tax credits will eventually get targeted. When things get targeted, the IRS will pull your return for an audit if it sees a trigger for an audit. The $1875 for an EV credit is far less that it would cost you to defend an audit (if you had an accountant).
You just don't want to be in the IRS's sights - it is not worth it. They can make your life very miserable. They got my brother many years ago - attached every cent he ever tried to bank, etc. They couldn't have picked a more deserving person to nail - and they made sure they got everything they wanted and more.