The shorts would have a field day if Tesla was sourcing parts and supplies from North Korea and Kim Jong Un!Have heard that Tesla is stopping the sale of the CCS1 to Tesla adapter sales from North Korea.
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The shorts would have a field day if Tesla was sourcing parts and supplies from North Korea and Kim Jong Un!Have heard that Tesla is stopping the sale of the CCS1 to Tesla adapter sales from North Korea.
My mistake, South Korea. SorryThe shorts would have a field day if Tesla was sourcing parts and supplies from North Korea and Kim Jong Un!
Sounds right. Don't understand why Tesla doesn't want CCS1 to Tesla adapters being sold in the USA. We have an adapter on order from a company in Canada, A2Z EV. Appears to be similar to the Tesla brand CCS1 adapter. Only works on Tesla's that are CCS adapter enabled, generally 2020+ model 3 and Y.Don't think so, I just think they figured out how to detect orders from people intending to export out of Korea and blocked them. If you go to the listing on the Korean store, it's still up an available. Tesla Korea Store Link: CCS 콤보 1 어댑터
Running the page through Google translate, it shows that there is a blurb about how only one adapter is allowed per account and ordering 2 or more may cause the order to be canceled. I think Tesla has figured out a way to stop the people supplying the adapters for export from getting a hold of them, at least as easily as they were before.
Which means more work to obtain one but still doable.Don't think so, I just think they figured out how to detect orders from people intending to export out of Korea and blocked them. If you go to the listing on the Korean store, it's still up an available. Tesla Korea Store Link: CCS 콤보 1 어댑터
Running the page through Google translate, it shows that there is a blurb about how only one adapter is allowed per account and ordering 2 or more may cause the order to be canceled. I think Tesla has figured out a way to stop the people supplying the adapters for export from getting a hold of them, at least as easily as they were before.
TeslafiWhich app did you use for this graph?
One day I am going to win the lottery and install one, just to have a CCS2 in the USA. (Ideally, I would purchase an appropriate lot in a decent location and have Tesla install Superchargers and someone else install a few CCS1 to go with it).There is no CCS2 in North America
My worry with a 3rd party adapter is the safety. I know these adapters are probably safe but when we're talking about 150+ kW I get slightly nervous... I also don't know if they properly lock the latch so you can't unplug it while it's charging, maybe that's something you can test?You may want to wait a bit. Some Chinese companies offered to send me some CSS adapters to test with my Model Y (for free, and I get to keep the adapters, they send them straight from China), I just finished my testing for them last week. All worked perfectly fine on Electrify America chargers (got 140kwh through them) which is near max for the cabinet (150kwh cabinet), meanwhile BMW and Ford next to me were charging at around 60Kwh.
What I am trying to say is that I think China is going to flood US market with adapters soon. Not sure how much they are going to charge but if market is flooded the prices ought to come down. Size wise its same as J1772 that comes with tesla just bulkier due to the bigger socket size.
I opted in to testing because Electrify America is cheaper for me than Superchargers by about 20%. Also gives me a chuckle when people look at me like an idiot trying to pull in to charge my Tesla on CSS, then see their jaws drop when I actually plug in and start charging.
My worry with a 3rd party adapter is the safety. I know these adapters are probably safe but when we're talking about 150+ kW I get slightly nervous... I also don't know if they properly lock the latch so you can't unplug it while it's charging, maybe that's something you can test?
This is the first aftermarket company I'm aware of offering a CCS-1 adapter for Tesla. Like the one offered by Tesla in South Korea, requires being CCS adapter enabled. A little different design but same in function. Appears to be well made. They just started shipping. Have one coming for my Tesla model 3. I'd bet prices come down eventually, I simply want it now for upcoming trips.You may want to wait a bit. Some Chinese companies offered to send me some CSS adapters to test with my Model Y (for free, and I get to keep the adapters, they send them straight from China), I just finished my testing for them last week. All worked perfectly fine on Electrify America chargers (got 140kwh through them) which is near max for the cabinet (150kwh cabinet), meanwhile BMW and Ford next to me were charging at around 60Kwh.
What I am trying to say is that I think China is going to flood US market with adapters soon. Not sure how much they are going to charge but if market is flooded the prices ought to come down. It looks exactly like the official Tesla one from Korea.
I opted in to testing because Electrify America is cheaper for me than Superchargers by about 20%. Also gives me a chuckle when people look at me like an idiot trying to pull in to charge my Tesla on CSS, then see their jaws drop when I actually plug in and start charging.
Chinese companies sometimes cut corners when cloning OEM products. For instance, in the 3D printer world, there are a series of 3D printer control boards from a UK company called Duet3D. These boards are expensive but very capable. As is common (but not universal) in the 3D printer world, designs were made available for free. Naturally, Chinese companies swooped in and began cloning them. These clones were very close to the originals; it'd be hard to tell them apart by visual inspection, except for text identifying who the manufacturer was. The Chinese clones, though, often used thinner conducting traces on the boards. This helped them keep costs down, but it also made the clones a bit less reliable than the original UK-made boards.From what I could tell they are exact clones of official ones. They do lock just like J1772 one does. And safety wise, Car/cabinet will react if things heat up too much, same thing for overcurrent/overvoltage issues. Personally Im not too worried about them.
From everything I've seen and read, the A2Z EV CCS1 adapter is made to the same quality as the one sold by Tesla in South Korea. Check out there web site for all the specs. This Canadian company specializes in electrical components. They test each and every adapter before shipping to the customer. I've spoken with the company president and he seems to be a good guy. He answered all my questions when I was ordering. I can understand those wishing to wait on the adapter from Tesla, simply didn't want to wait until whatever that date is. Once I receive my CCS1 adapter from A2Z EV I'll be taking a road trip and posting my findings. Feel pretty lucky to have so many charging options available.Chinese companies sometimes cut corners when cloning OEM products. For instance, in the 3D printer world, there are a series of 3D printer control boards from a UK company called Duet3D. These boards are expensive but very capable. As is common (but not universal) in the 3D printer world, designs were made available for free. Naturally, Chinese companies swooped in and began cloning them. These clones were very close to the originals; it'd be hard to tell them apart by visual inspection, except for text identifying who the manufacturer was. The Chinese clones, though, often used thinner conducting traces on the boards. This helped them keep costs down, but it also made the clones a bit less reliable than the original UK-made boards.
Of course, if you can buy a clone 3D printer board for $100 rather than $170 and the clone lasts three years rather than five years, you might consider that an acceptable trade-off; but if a Chinese manufacturer did something similar with a DC fast charging adapter and the result was that the thing overheated and turned into a melted hunk of plastic and metal that was fused with the car and/or the DC fast charging station, you probably wouldn't be too happy. I don't actually think this is a very likely outcome, since there are temperature sensors that should prevent it; but even if cost-cutting simply resulted in failed charging sessions (because of overheating, poor tolerances causing flaky data connections, etc.), that could be quite annoying.
Personally, I'd be willing to consider buying a Chinese clone of Tesla's CCS1 adapter, but only if I had some confidence that it was well-made. This confidence might come from knowing that the company selling it has experience making such products and a reputation for doing a good job; because of a tear-down review where a sample was sacrificed to determine that it was well-made; or by seeing multiple reviews by end-users who'd been using the product regularly for a long enough time that I'd expect problems would have emerged if the product was junk. A warranty would help, too; but all too often, buying stuff direct from China means you effectively have no warranty. If it's being sold through a well-established US distributor, then there might be a better warranty.
I've read through most of the replies to your post and I feel the need to apologize for some of them. IMHO, no one can know your situation and therefore no one has the right to criticize how you feel about it. My response is simply this - If you can afford it, buy it! The peace of mind that it will bring to your situation is well worth it.Hi folks,
I'm eager to get CCS adapter for my 2021 Model Y. Very few Tesla chargers in my region, better availability of ElectrifyAmerica CCS charging. I have read that one can order the South Korean CCS1 and it will work here in the USA.
However, I'm wondering whether I should wait for Tesla's North American CCS combo charger whenever it comes out. First, it is supposed to be CCS2, and perhaps that differs from CCS1 in some way. Second, once Tesla does release their own North American CCS2 adapter, perhaps a software update will interfere with using the North Korean CCS1 adapter.
What do folks think about my concerns?
Best,
-- josh
Thank you. Hit the nail on the head. I'm buying for peace of mind. If it ever got me out of a charging jam it would be worth it. As you said, to each their own.I've read through most of the replies to your post and I feel the need to apologize for some of them. IMHO, no one can know your situation and therefore no one has the right to criticize how you feel about it. My response is simply this - If you can afford it, buy it! The peace of mind that it will bring to your situation is well worth it.
My response is simply this - If you can afford it, buy it! The peace of mind that it will bring to your situation is well worth it.
Which is why I decided several years ago to go ahead and buy the ridiculously expensive Tesla CHAdeMO adapter, when I still had access to free L2 charging at work. Now, several years later, most (80%) of my DC charging is done with that CHAdeMO and not at a Supercharger. Day-to-day charging is done at a ChargePoint DCFC near my house; I don't have home charging and really don't need it. On two recent trips to Oregon (Brookings and Ashland, separately) I used the CHAdeMO while in town at free EVCS spots. Closest Superchargers were 26 and 13 miles away but there were free L2 stations in both towns. Having the CHAdeMO meant I didn't have to leave my car for hours, away from the motels. The Brookings motel did have a 50A outlet for EV charging but they used a CS8269 outlet that I didn't have an adapter for (at the time; I do now).Thank you. Hit the nail on the head. I'm buying for peace of mind. If it ever got me out of a charging jam it would be worth it. As you said, to each their own.
Brookings OR is my favorite place. Once owned a house their. Planning on a Brookings road trip next year. Would live in Brookings if wife approved, she thinks it's too boring.Which is why I decided several years ago to go ahead and buy the ridiculously expensive Tesla CHAdeMO adapter, when I still had access to free L2 charging at work. Now, several years later, most (80%) of my DC charging is done with that CHAdeMO and not at a Supercharger. Day-to-day charging is done at a ChargePoint DCFC near my house; I don't have home charging and really don't need it. On two recent trips to Oregon (Brookings and Ashland, separately) I used the CHAdeMO while in town at free EVCS spots. Closest Superchargers were 26 and 13 miles away but there were free L2 stations in both towns. Having the CHAdeMO meant I didn't have to leave my car for hours, away from the motels. The Brookings motel did have a 50A outlet for EV charging but they used a CS8269 outlet that I didn't have an adapter for (at the time; I do now).
I've already purchased the South Korea Tesla CCS1 adapter, the Gen 4 ECU and sourced the parts for the "bundle of wires", needed to update my 2018 to be CCS enabled. The costs involved were acceptable to be able to have access to many more charging opportunities, both in town and on the road. It's the same reason why I've bought all of the 30A and 50A NEMA adapters for the UMC, even though I've never used them up to this point - "be prepared".
Sounds right. Don't understand why Tesla doesn't want CCS1 to Tesla adapters being sold in the USA.
I think there are three issues at play with this in the US:Only works on Tesla's that are CCS adapter enabled, generally 2020+ model 3 and Y.
You could be right, makes sense. It will open up a lotta demand once Tesla owners understand the benefits. I'm thrilled that A2Z EV is offering an aftermarket option on par with the Tesla adapter.I think there are three issues at play with this in the US:
1) parts and supply chain issues for having the adapter available with the likelihood of quite a few customers wanting it,
2) that US consumers tend to not read, and since some cars will require a retrofit kit to use it (and the parts and availability issue of those parts for the kit) leads to upset customers - invariably many will not read they can’t use it or be upset they have to get the whole retrofit, and
3) most service centers are already swamped with repairs and they just are not ready to handle any influx of cars that would want a retrofit.
Just my guesswork, so who knows.
I was referring to some as-yet-unreleased Chinese-made clones of Tesla's CCS1 adapter, as described by @Chrushev. The A2Z adapter is entirely different.From everything I've seen and read, the A2Z EV CCS1 adapter is made to the same quality as the one sold by Tesla in South Korea. Check out there web site for all the specs. This Canadian company specializes in electrical components.