This would apply to the many older cars that had EAP, and added FSD. We have yet to gain any function from FSD and some are going on 4+ years. Tesla doesn't even seem interested in allowing those buyers the option of using the FSD Beta.
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I agree it’s a full-on scam at this point, particularly for those that bought in back in 2016, but I don’t see any reasonable path to a refund. All that would do is make a customer service mess for them and trade some unhappy people for different unhappy people.
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Not only a scam but one Tesla is supposedly going to charge more for in the future! So hurry up and buy it today!I agree it’s a full-on scam at this point, particularly for those that bought in back in 2016, but I don’t see any reasonable path to a refund. All that would do is make a customer service mess for them and trade some unhappy people for different unhappy people.
For better or worse, you own it.
Apparently I'm the minority view (in this thread), but I'm fine with having purchased both EAP & FSD capability back in 2018. I knew it was investing in the future, without a promised timeline. Even back then, I thought we could be replacing our (first) Tesla with another before FSD came to fruition and still made the $8k purchase anyway. I wish I could prove it now, but from the little I had worked in AI, computer vision, and neural networks long ago, I've always felt true FSD on the same roads as human drivers was not close. I don't feel gypped because we knew what we were paying for: investing in Tesla's work towards that goal. Elon isn't my god, nor do I trust his time estimates (ergo aka "Elon time"), but I still see products delivered and am pretty amazed/happy with what we have. I'm reminded of this every time I get in another vehicle and notice how far ahead Tesla still is. #My2¢
FSD got you the upgrade to HW3, EAP did not.This would apply to the many older cars that had EAP, and added FSD. We have yet to gain any function from FSD and some are going on 4+ years. Tesla doesn't even seem interested in allowing those buyers the option of using the FSD Beta.
They got between $20 and (IIRC) $800. Average much closer to the low end. Lawyers did a lot better.If you recall, there was a class action lawsuit a few years ago. Members of the class got $500 I believe. If you excluded yourself, you could potentially sue and win for a refund in small claims court.
They got between $20 and (IIRC) $800. Average much closer to the low end. Lawyers did a lot better.
And remember, this is a settlement - the case did not go to trial on the merits of the claim. Today's situation is a bit different than the facts and circumstances of the case you refer to.
And yes, Small Claims Court is a potential option, assuming you opted out of mandatory arbitration within 30 days of purchase.
I believe there is a section in the current contract that does bind you to arbitration, unless you notify Tesla at a specific contact number/email that you are opting out (IIRC, within 30 days of contracting date).Do new purchase contracts require arbitration?
As someone constantly harping on how Tesla owes you nothing because of their contracts, I'd expect you to have read the purchase contract, which makes it clear you can go to small claims even if you did not opt out:And yes, Small Claims Court is a potential option, assuming you opted out of mandatory arbitration within 30 days of purchase.
If you prefer, you may instead take an individual dispute to small claims court
As a lawyer, I'd think you'd understand the benefits of a class action pretty well. Yes, individuals get less, but that's because they had to put no energy in. You tell people to not sue as they'll never recover the costs of a lawsuit. $800 is a lot more than zero, and it serves as a deterrent to companies acting badly because it applies to all class members, not only the ones that sue directly.They got between $20 and (IIRC) $800. Average much closer to the low end. Lawyers did a lot better.
Yet you never expand what the differences are...And remember, this is a settlement - the case did not go to trial on the merits of the claim. Today's situation is a bit different than the facts and circumstances of the case you refer to.
They say they just pick people @ random to get FSD updates, despite having a high drive score & paying 10-12k FSD, some people who paid for full FSD might never get an FSD update - they should give credit/refunds those not getting it, or least just charge $5-6K FSD upon purchase & 2nd $5-6K when you actually get a FSD update-I agree it’s a full-on scam at this point, particularly for those that bought in back in 2016, but I don’t see any reasonable path to a refund. All that would do is make a customer service mess for them and trade some unhappy people for different unhappy people.
For better or worse, you own it.