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Should this kind of ’sabotage posting’ about Man-Made Global Warming really be allowed?

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  1. SwedishAdvocate

    SwedishAdvocate Active Member

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    The member ”jrad6515” have been massively trolling this thread with completely false nonsense for I don’t know how long:

    Climate Change / Global Warming Discussion

    Here a post where he(?) commits a vicious personal attack on the sixteen year old teenage girl Greta Thunberg:

    In my opinion his(?) behavior is way beyond what is dignified of this forum.

    Suggestion: Ban him(?) from this subsection of the forum:

    General Forum > Energy, Environment and Policy
     
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  2. SageBrush

    SageBrush 2018: Drain the Sewer

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    Why don't you just ignore him ?
    It works well enough for me
     
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    “If liberty means anything at all, it means the right to tell people what they do not want to hear.”
    ― George Orwell
     
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  4. ggies07

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    It should not be allowed and anyone doing this should be banned instead of what happened to neroden. Keeping a climate denier on and banning someone pro renewables? What is this, trump land?
     
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  5. SwedishAdvocate

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    Because I don’t think it’s a sufficiently good solution.
     
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  6. SwedishAdvocate

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    To me it seems like you've misunderstood.

    Everyone is entitled to their own opinions.

    But they are not entitled to their own facts.
     
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  7. gilscales

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    So if someone states their own opinion as a fact then it should no longer be protected as free speech?
    I think every news organization on the planet would fall under your ban if this were the case.
     
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  8. ZsoZso

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    Its not about stating opinion or questioning facts. The problem is that poster's constant ad hominem attacks and
    concentrated effort to derail the thread with long debunked false-hoods. He is not only denying science, but also very simply verifiable facts such as the existence of a certain post in the thread.

    See my latest "exchange" with him: Climate Change / Global Warming Discussion

    BTW, "free speech" has nothing to do with posting on a private message board!
    It simply does not apply.
    Free Speech in Online Communities: The Delusion of Entitlement - Steve Pavlina
     
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  9. ohmman

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    I don't think @SwedishAdvocate is making the proper case for those who are out of the loop on the context. It's not that someone has a different opinion, or is wrong. I'm happy to engage with anyone who wants to discuss methodology, and I had an interaction with this individual to that effect early on. It became clear that he's not in this to discuss, though, and I believe nobody really acts this way, so I think it's an online persona.

    It is the barrage of ad hominem attacks and clear trolling behavior that make the posts unfit for TMC. A small portion of his posts follow as examples. I've stayed out of this since I don't moderate in Energy, Environment, and Policy, and since I personally have had interactions with this person. But his post history should speak for itself. He's the only person to have made my ignore list in my years on this forum, because I'm quite certain this is just a trolling attempt.

     
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  10. SwedishAdvocate

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    Nice way of trying to spin this! Really!

    There are opinions news organizations do not publish. Holocaust denial is one such opinion.

    As for the rest of your post, I second ZsoZso:
     
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    It seemed like a perfect example to me, I was not trying defend this person, just the right to their own opinion but as I can see here there are many people worked up over this persons posts, So no free speech on private message boards, Check, BTW your Model 3 wagon avatar is pretty cool, I would buy one in a heartbeat!
     
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  12. SwedishAdvocate

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    #12 SwedishAdvocate, Aug 6, 2019
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    It feels like a sincere Thank You! is in order... :)
     
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    Maybe I was too harsh... I don't really know your real intentions...

    But:

    I suggest that you reply to Ohmman's post instead (Post #9).
     
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    I agree that jrad is a troll, and I'm sick of it just like OP and Ohmman.
    However, trolls typically go away when they are ignored so I think that should be our first step since banning is a slippery slope.
     
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    It's not an uncommon practice here for members who do not abide by the Terms. It probably happens at least once a week.
     
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    #16 SwedishAdvocate, Aug 6, 2019
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    Ok. So I couldn't stop myself from 'revisiting' this:
    1. IMO that is way to simplified...

    But like I said above:

    I suggest that you reply to Ohmman's post instead (Post #9)

    (2. IKR... There's not one single electric station wagon available from anyone (!)... (I really, really do not like inefficient wasteful SUVs...) There's also not a single electric station wagon available from anyone with a factory option towbar, a nonbundled factory option black headliner, a nonbundled factory option for metal pedals, a nonbundled factory option for a dash decor that isn't brown wood or white something something... But that's another thread!...)
     
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  17. jrad6515

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    LOL – looks like I have the snowflakes upset again. I guess if you can’t prove your delusional AGW theories you have to try and silence those who throw cold hard facts in your face and upset the socialist, anti~science echo chamber you have here.

    Here’s a novel thought for you:

    Why don’t you try disputing any of the facts I have posted rather than claiming victimhood and going off on tangential rants all the time? You could shut me up real quick if you could just post a coherent proof of AGW but of course none of you can do that despite repeated challenges by me. So you would rather just cry about my posts that present facts contrary to your alarmist narrative. Obviously these facts are quite upsetting to you sensitive people. I’m afraid that I am causing quite a bit of “climate despair“ around here. :)

    In order to have some sort of reasonable proof of AGW you need to either present empirical data proving human influence on the temperature record or a model that controls all of the natural variables and shows that we are outside of normal climate variability. Obviously neither of these exist so quit claiming “settled science“ when there is nothing of the sort when it comes to AGW. If you think otherwise then prove me wrong. I will be waiting anxiously!
     
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  18. DriverOne

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    Of course by the derogatory "snowflakes" you mean to say people who have compassion. Which has no relationship to global warming, the effects it is having, and what we can do about it.

    I agree with the above posters that jrad is not posting constructively and is probably just here to troll.
     
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  19. sixela

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    #19 sixela, Aug 6, 2019
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    One which is shorter than both parts of a recent IPCC report?

    And we're the ones in an "anti science echo chamber" (the one which ironically seems to have all the climate scientists that I personally know in it, I gather from your posts)?

    I'd wager a guess: we could not shut you up real quick with a coherent appraisal of whether AGW is likely or not (should you have failed to note, science doesn't "prove" things -- math proves things. Science just builds models of reality that work better than things that you personally seem to pull out of a place I cannot even fathom).

    If by now you can't gather the evidence yourself you're in denial, and no amount of reasoned debate will do that. The fact you seem to hurl insults at every corner and vent wild conspiracy theories is enough "evidence" of that.
     
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  20. jrad6515

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    Yet another delusional alarmist who can’t produce any proof of AGW. I have gathered the evidence and it clearly shows that there is no significant human imprint on the climate. Obviously you have not done the work that I have done or else you would have a clue. I’m still waiting for one of you zealots to produce any proof of AGW. Obviously I know you can’t but it is fun to chide you for your inability to prove something that isn’t happening.
     
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