Local large versions of powerwalls stored on site to suck up electricity when the demand is low and spit it out in combination with grid draw to provide much more power in a short period of time. Some sites will be augmented with solar as well.
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Local large versions of powerwalls stored on site to suck up electricity when the demand is low and spit it out in combination with grid draw to provide much more power in a short period of time. Some sites will be augmented with solar as well.
Jeff P
Member
This thread reminds me of the online discussion around every product Apple has made in the last 10 years. Well, except for the part that we're talking about an expensive car.
As a software developer, I'm probably more willing to embrace the rate of change, ambiguity and sometimes disappointment around the ongoing evolution of the Model S, but I can understand the frustration of early adopters. Mostly. It does strike me as a little strange when we're talking about a feature that was largely experimental, and in retrospect, not a particularly great idea.
As a software developer, I'm probably more willing to embrace the rate of change, ambiguity and sometimes disappointment around the ongoing evolution of the Model S, but I can understand the frustration of early adopters. Mostly. It does strike me as a little strange when we're talking about a feature that was largely experimental, and in retrospect, not a particularly great idea.
I only partly agree with this. As an early adopter I knew later cars would get better, and I had and currently have no issue with that. If I want more, I'll pay to upgrade (and I have on some items that mattered to me).
I think, however, that you don't really know what "sig tax" means by your usage here. The sig tax refers to us paying MORE for the SAME configuration that a non-sig got (yes, our cars cost more, we got LESS options to choose from, and in my case, Tesla screwed up to the point where my sig was delivered AFTER normal production cars began delivery).
I checked various snapshots at the end of 2011 and the beginning of 2012 and it's not listed. Doesn't mean it wasn't at some point:
Model S Features | Tesla Motors
But I see you already found some source for it.
Tesla continuously advertised the Model S as capable of fast swapping from very early on. Heck, Elon won a bet with Dan Neil predicated on the possibility of fast swapping.
http://www.autoblog.com/2011/08/26/elon-musk-bets-dan-neil-1-million-he-can-get-the-tesla-model-s/
OP has an axe to grind. Tesla set his expectations of fast pack swapping capability from the outset and failed to deliver on that promise.
http://www.autoblog.com/2011/08/26/elon-musk-bets-dan-neil-1-million-he-can-get-the-tesla-model-s/
OP has an axe to grind. Tesla set his expectations of fast pack swapping capability from the outset and failed to deliver on that promise.
Interesting viewpoint that all features of a car need to be listed on the paperwork. I totally, strongly disagree. When JB said (or the brochure pointed out by Zextraterrestrial) the Model S was designed for fast pack swaps in 2011 I understood that to mean I would be able to take advantage of the technology were it to ever become available. I dunno, seems pretty clear cut to me. But everyone's entitled to their viewpoint.
I think it's a fantastic idea along the 5 and it turns out it is being used heavily. According to Owner's blog, a lot of people agree with me.
Krugerrand
Meow
That is incorrect. I'll repeat what I said early...the OP's battery can in fact be swapped out, it just (apparently) can't be done at the Harris Ranch Battery Swap Station for some reason/s that none of us are privy to, but likely has to do with some sort of engineering change/s between the time of Sig production and the deployment of the first (and seemingly last) battery swap station.
Nonsense. The Roadster battery CAN be swapped out. The promises Tesla made to Sig owners were much more specific, namely, en route battery swapping at a roadside station. Playing around with the idea that anything is possible to support the notion that Tesla delivered on this particular promise is, frankly, a silly argument not worthy to be afforded much weight. You are correct about one thing, Sig battery packs are incapable of fast swapping at 100% of Tesla's swap stations.
The Roadster battery can be swapped out it just (apparently) can't be done at the Harris Ranch Battery Swap Station for some reason/s that none of us are privy to, but likely has to do with some sort of engineering change/s between the time of Roadster production and the deployment of the first (and seemingly last) battery swap station. See, I can do it too, it's a true statement but a terrible argument. Imagine if Tesla had implemented Supercharging that left out Sig owners, saying that design specs had changed and the older cars are no longer compatible. Better yet, imagine the reaction if, in a few months Tesla realizes the first Models S sold on the promise of future auto pilot features were not capable of reading speed limit signs and just say they're sorry but there's been an engineering change so that's not going to happen. I don't predict that will happen but it could; anything's possible.
The facts are these:
- Tesla advertised en route battery swapping as a feature on Model S as early as 2011.
- Tesla sold cars to sig owners based, in part, on that promise.
- Sig cars are not compatible with the battery swap station.
Conclusion:
- Until Tesla demonstrates fast swapping compatibility with Sig owners they haven't fulfilled part of the bargained for exchange.
I am a huge Tesla fan. Tesla needs to make good on the wild promises it makes regarding future features when it sells cars based on those features being available later. Those two statements are not inconsistent.
Where exactly do you get that fact? The original poster was informed that his car falls in a VIN range that was flagged by engineering as being incompatible with the Harris Ranch station. So far that's all we know. Nothing except the title of this thread ever said anything about signature cars.
Not to get too off topic here but there are many other "promises" Tesla has made that they have not delivered on remember the "Lighted Vanity Mirror" saga? I don't know anyone that has these either. Part of the confusion is that Tesla is marketing the car as a Model S across all model years and with the updates they are doing rendering some Model S' incompatible. Perhaps Tesla should take a page out of Apple's book and call them Late 2012 Model S, Early 2013 Model S etc to avoid confusion that all Model S' are compatible with announced upgrades past present and future.
I have a Vin in the 2000s and seem to be in a minority of folks in CA with an 85 that have not received an invite. My buddy has a sig and did a receive an invite for a swap, which initially makes me question the premise of this thread - however, he had his battery changed out after a year (A pack for D) due to a 'proactive service.'. To me, this sounds like an A battery issue and not a sig issue. Anyone with an A pack do the swap yet?
Very possible. No one knows besides ' Tesla'. And I am pretty sure the card I posted was from 2010 when I put my deposit down. Not that it matterz. I also thought many ca residents were invited to the swap program. Are there any early 2012 car owners who have done it?...^ with A batteries? I have a B. And I kind of hope they step up and give all sigs 90's!!! Use the a's for SC storage
Similar situation here. My VIN is in the mid-6000's with an A pack (non-Sig P85) and live in CA but was not invited for swapping. I think this is more likely related to A packs than Sig's.
Not quite. The Roadster pack can be swapped out but it takes multiple people and 4+ hours to do so. Not quick a quick swap station.
Tesla didn't talk about swap stations, just that the pack can be swapped out in 5 min. That is technically true and could be done at a service station. Which battery would you get in place? That blurb says nothing about a battery swap program. I have a very early sig and never expected battery swapping.
NigelM
Recovering Member
So what's the logical consequence? Let's say Tesla amends the single battery swap station at Harris Ranch to cope with all Model S. Are they also required now to roll out swap stations globally and in what density?
Very interesting data point. I had not considered this circumstance. Regardless, I'll be knocking on Tesla's door Friday so they had better have a clear, convincing explanation put together by then because I'm not happy with the way it's being handled.
NigelM
Recovering Member
Hopefully you given Tesla a heads up that you're planning to ask them? Going into a service center and demanding a answer is likely not to get you very far.
How often were you planing on swapping your pack? What if Tesla charges the $50 or so dollars they might charge one day if they ever roll this out?
Their other option is to simply shut the station down so it's 'fair' to everyone that way.
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