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Single vs. Dual Charger Poll for Your Future Model X

For your Future Model X, do you REALLY need 72A or can you get by with 48A charging?

  • 72A is necessary.

    Votes: 36 58.1%
  • 48A is just fine.

    Votes: 26 41.9%

  • Total voters
    62

DJ Frustration

Former Model X Sig, Model S, Model 3, Model Y
Jun 19, 2012
685
138
Miami, Florida
Thought we'd take an informal survey of the TMC group here to get everyone's true feelings on the 48A vs. 72A Charger debate. Please indicate whether you would truly need (and I mean real world need, not first world want) 72A charging versus 48A.
 

ptsagcy

Member
Nov 4, 2013
529
191
NJ
I guess the folks that are ok with 48A are not planning on doing destination charging, or they are ok with waiting in line for 8+ hours while an MX charges at 48A.
 

Gwgan

Almost a wagon
Aug 11, 2013
2,942
2,192
Maine
Slow is fine for me in my garage but not for passing travellers or trips through nearby Canada
 

CmdrThor

Active Member
Jul 24, 2013
1,102
903
Marietta, GA
I would have liked to have 72 amp if it was included, and I would like the option to pay for faster charging later, but I would not pay extra at delivery for faster charging.
 

andrewket

Well-Known Member
Dec 20, 2012
5,704
1,541
Necessary is a strong word. I suggest these three options might be more impactful.

1. 48A is sufficient for my needs. Even if Tesla offered 72A I would not purchase it.

2. 48A is sufficient for most of my needs, but there are times when 72A would be desirable. I'll buy an X with 48A and hope that Tesla offers a 72A option upgrade in the future.

3. I use >48A charging frequently and will delay my purchase until either Tesla offers a 72A option or commits to providing an upgrade, either as a retrofit or an accessory in the future.
 

ToddRLockwood

Active Member
Sep 11, 2012
1,317
82
Burlington, Vermont
I wonder what happened to 80A charging? It appears that in dual charger mode the Model X has less capacity than in the Model S. Not that it matters for overnight charging.

I have dual chargers in my Model S, and on occasion I have found them to be VERY useful, such as when charging at a Tesla store or service center. That second charger has saved me many hours of sitting around. At home, I charge at 40A, which is more than fast enough for me.
 
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timf

Active Member
Apr 14, 2013
1,042
163
Michigan
I can only charge at 32A at home and have no plans to travel anywhere where 72A would benefit me, so 48A is perfectly fine.
 

goneskiian

Active Member
Nov 16, 2012
2,627
822
Bellevue WA
Necessary is a strong word. I suggest these three options might be more impactful.

1. 48A is sufficient for my needs. Even if Tesla offered 72A I would not purchase it.

2. 48A is sufficient for most of my needs, but there are times when 72A would be desirable. I'll buy an X with 48A and hope that Tesla offers a 72A option upgrade in the future.

3. I use >48A charging frequently and will delay my purchase until either Tesla offers a 72A option or commits to providing an upgrade, either as a retrofit or an accessory in the future.
I chose the 72amp is necessary but #2 is above is definitely more in line with actual feelings at this point.

My only reasons are for destination charging and for "off the Supercharger grid" travels in areas where there are >40amp chargers like the Sun Country highway in Canada and their expansion here in the PNW.

I can also see possibly needing them for quick turn arounds at home with a HPWC.
 

Beryl

Supporting Member
Supporting Member
Feb 19, 2015
681
234
South of Houston
72A is necessary for me as the X will be my only vehicle and and I don't live in a SC/destination charger dense area (e.g. California). I'd hate to be stranded between SCs waiting a long time for enough power to get somewhere safe.

I will delay or cancel my reservation if there are no plans to offer more than 48A. I still want a Tesla but it might be a Model S now or a different model in the future. I am in no rush.
 

Larry Chanin

President, Florida Tesla Enthusiasts
Aug 22, 2011
4,937
805
Sarasota, Florida
Hi Ethan,


I don’t have a Model X on order so I didn’t respond to your survey. However, I do want to discuss this general issue, particularly as it pertains to the Tesla Destination Charging Program. As you know our club is a big supporter of the Destination Charging Program, but I have become concerned by some continuing developments that I view as undermining its effectiveness. It started several months ago when Tesla changed their policy for ordering Model Ss to eliminate the factory option for dual chargers. Here’s an excerpt of a posting that does a good job of describing the problem.

[…] Tesla is compounding the confusion by marketing a destination charging program using HPWCs that can deliver 80A while selling cars that can only accept 40A unless the owner makes an effort to have dual chargers installed. It used to be the effort was just checking a box on the order page, now most mainstream buyers wouldn't even know the dual charging option exists and they won't get it installed at the service center if they aren't aware of it. Then they find a 80A HPWC at a destination and wonder why they only get 40A.[…]

This reported move by Tesla to deliver future Model Xs with only an option of 48 amp charging capacity further exacerbates the problem and also undermines the value of the Destination Charging Program. It is true for the most part that charging at home 48 amps will be fine. However, as Tesla production ramps up at destinations we will be increasingly running into situations where there are multiple Teslas competing for a limited number of destination HPWCs.

Fortunately, many of the luxury hotels and resorts that have installed HPWCs have also included the HPWCs as part of their valet operations. A case in point was at our club event at the Epicurean Hotel. The Epicurean has two HPWCs, but we had over a dozen Model Ss staying overnight and most of them came from across the state so they absolutely needed a charge. The Epicurean trained their valet staff to handle the charging and they swapped cars in and out of the HPWCs. Having high capacity charging greatly facilitates this type of process.

In the future when destination charging congestion is more frequent the usefulness of dual on-board chargers will become even more obvious particularly in public locations where there isn't a trained valet available to swap cars in and out.

In summary, I find these two moves by Tesla to eliminate the option of higher capacity on-board chargers as steps in the wrong direction and rather troubling. Down the road it will devalue the usefulness of the Destination Charging Program that Tesla has so aptly pursued to date.

Larry
 

SW2Fiddler

We Are Cognitive Dissidents
Mar 19, 2014
2,362
3,270
Houston TX
I don't care who you are, when there is a waiting queue for the charger, you'd surely prefer the car(s) ahead of you charge at 96A than a lower current.
 

DJ Frustration

Former Model X Sig, Model S, Model 3, Model Y
Jun 19, 2012
685
138
Miami, Florida
Well said Larry. It's rare that the next version of a company's product removes functionality that existed in the previous version. I have to admit, I was pretty excited about a 72A charger being standard when the details first leaked. I suspect we don't have the 30,000 foot view that whoever made the decision inside Tesla had. As a result, we have no way of understanding why they moved from a 72A charger to a 48A.
 

TexasEV

Well-Known Member
Jun 5, 2013
7,650
8,911
Austin, TX
I suspect we don't have the 30,000 foot view that whoever made the decision inside Tesla had. As a result, we have no way of understanding why they moved from a 72A charger to a 48A.
Whatever the reason, I think we would all agree that the marketing-speak, insulting our intelligence explanation given in Tesla's email to Model X reservation holders was not the reason.
 

Larry Chanin

President, Florida Tesla Enthusiasts
Aug 22, 2011
4,937
805
Sarasota, Florida
Well said Larry. It's rare that the next version of a company's product removes functionality that existed in the previous version. I have to admit, I was pretty excited about a 72A charger being standard when the details first leaked. I suspect we don't have the 30,000 foot view that whoever made the decision inside Tesla had. As a result, we have no way of understanding why they moved from a 72A charger to a 48A.

Hi Ethan,

Regarding the removal of the dual charger factory option for Model Ss, I have discussed this with Tesla management and I do have a bit of a feel for their reasoning. I am not comfortable discussing it in public. Suffice it to say I politely told them that their reasoning was flawed.

I do not have insights into why they apparently moved to a 48 amp charger for the Model X, but my guess is that it had more to do with start-up production and supplier issues. We can only hope that after production issues get ironed out that Tesla will reexamine this situation and correct it both for the Model S and X.

Larry
 

Cosmacelf

Well-Known Member
Mar 6, 2013
8,769
22,193
San Diego
Hey folks, assuming the ship has sailed on this one (everyone has sent a polite email to Tesla expressing their disappointment in a single 48A charger, right?), here's another poll that asks if you would pay $2,000 to upgrade your 48A charger to something better if Tesla were to come out with such a retrofit. I've used this third party polling site so that I can also post this question over on the Tesla company forums.

Poll - EasyPolls.net
 

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