diplomat33
Average guy who loves autonomous vehicles
I find it fascinating that @diplomat33 -- the guy that starts a forum thread for every PR stunt by Waymo/Cruise/et al -- would agree to categorize Tesla Autonomy day as "hype and nonsense"!
But he takes "autonomous driving very seriously"
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Waymo, Cruise, Mobileye and others are legit AV companies with real FSD. So I share their FSD progress. You can be a fan of Tesla, that's fine. But you should not ignore the real FSD that other AV companies have!
And yes, I think AI Day will be a lot of hype just like Autonomy Day was. Remember how Elon promised 1M robotaxis by 2020. That was hype! It never happened. AI Day will basically be "Look at Dojo! Look at FSD Beta! Tesla is the only company solving vision and AI with big data! We will have 1M robotaixs by the end of this year! Come work for us." That's called hype!
There will not be dumbed down anything.
Go watch a Waymo presentation with @diplomat33 if you want dumbed down!
This is a Waymo presentation on 4D deep temporal scene understanding, end-to-end multi-view fusion for 3D object detection, Vision-only depth perception and 3D auto-labeling. Waymo presentations are definitely not dumbed down! LOL.
That's your right.
I do not respect @diplomat33 because he is blinded by shiny presentations and demos and when you point at valid criticism of - for example - Waymo failing at encountering a cone and then Waymo employees saying that Waymo goes around construction to begin with" (yet to @diplomat33 that is TRUE FSD), but will dismiss most things that Tesla excels at because it's still L2 (as if he never read what he was buying especially back in 2018).
That to me points to a person showing blind faith in a system he has never even tried. But he will mask it was BS reports from Cali DMV and such.
As I said above, I have 5 years on Autopilot... starting from AP1 going through ever iteration Tesla has to offer.
Tesla - like SpaceX - is not afraid to fail on an approach, and it is part of their MO - Fail fast, iterate and fail forward!
Watching the progress on my cars and the stated end goal of FSD at Tesla is what makes me keep buying the FSD package.
Stop with the personal attacks! This thread should be about AI Day not putting a poster's reputation on trial.
I do not have blind faith. I point out Waymo's failures. But Waymo has real FSD! Deal with it! Just because the car makes a mistake with the cones, does not mean that it is not real FSD.
I do not dismiss things that Tesla is good at. You have proved time and time again that you don't understand autonomous driving. You don't understand the difference between L2 and L4.
Funny that you accuse me of covering up for Waymo's cone failure, which I never did, while you ignore any videos where FSD Beta makes mistakes far worse than Waymo.
You have blind faith in Tesla. You believe Elon's lies. You refuse to look at any other companies' FSD progress. You only want to look at Karpathy videos. You ignore evidence when FSD Beta fails etc...
I respect @diplomat33 because he has always just followed the data and has evolved his opinion over time accordingly. No need to lump him in with the various bashers here...he's just calling balls and strikes, for the most part (2018):
Thanks.
Yeah, my position has evolved over time and I have tried to follow the data. Believe it not, back in 2018, I was much more of a FSD fanboy. I used to argue that Tesla was close to solving FSD. You can see in that quote that I was defending Tesla, arguing that I do believe a coast to coast will happen and that Tesla is close to releasing FSD. In fact, if you keep reading the thread, you will other posters arguing that I am "grasping at straws" tying to defend Tesla. Now, I am more of a "FSD skeptic" because I've seen that a lot of the data does not support Tesla's FSD claims. @Bladerskb can testify I am telling the truth because he used to attack me for my "fanboy" comments. I try to be fair. If Tesla releases real FSD (no driver supervision) then I will happily change my opinion.
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