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So how many actually want 100% autonomy (poll)

Discussion in 'Tesla Motors' started by theboom1, Aug 17, 2016.

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Do you want cars to go to complete 100% autonomous with no steering wheel or pedals

  1. Yes, I want to take away the ability of humans to drive

    34.5%
  2. No, I want it to remain how it is

    6.3%
  3. In between the two, I would like to still be able to drive but with the computer preventing crashes

    59.2%
  1. theboom1

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    By in between I mean you can still drive but a computer prevents crashes, moderates traffic when needed, or drives when you want it to. Something similar to my shadow modes idea for those who have seen me explain it.
     
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    #2 BluestarE3, Aug 17, 2016
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    I tend to keep my cars for a long time, so I want a car I can drive myself while I'm still capable (with safety features enabled when I choose). And when I'm at the point where I'm no longer able to drive safely, I would turn over operation to the autonomous system. Hopefully, I'll be able to recognize when I'm no longer a safe driver... or that a friend or family member would slap some sense into me if I'm in denial.
     
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    #3 ohmman, Aug 17, 2016
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    The options aren't representative of reality, or at least they are phrased in a way to get people to vote one particular way. I think having vehicles with fully autonomous capabilities is not only a guarantee, but a necessity as we move forward. But I don't think that means we take away the ability of humans to drive. That's a ridiculously phrased option that shows the poll writer's bias.
     
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    Some bias in those descriptions.....
    Edit: just read you @ohmman and I agree.
     
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    How? I gave complete opposite options and one in the middle. It may sound bias to some but its getting straight to the point. How do we have autonomous capability and not take away the ability to drive? If your answer is what i think it is: choose option 3. If not whats your thoughts.
     
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    Im being as blatant as I can because when you get down to it, that's exactly what it is.
     
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    Not if you had to make another post to further describe it, and promote your own position while at it.
     
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    That is literally option 3. Drive when you want, automaton when you don't.
     
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    Because the first two are self explanatory...
     
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    Literally, it's not. Literally, it says "In between the two, I would like to still be able to drive but with the computer preventing crashes."

    That's a far cry from "Full autonomy when I want, and self-drive when I want."
     
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    Good night boomer.
     
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    You want me so say I had some bias when making that? Fine, yes I did. But im not the one voting, that's why I asked. Its intended to be as simple as possible. Do you want no humans driving, how it is now, or driving with automation elements mixed in. I apologize if it came off a different way.
     
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    You voted for the first one. Can you please explain how your earlier statement of "But I don't think that means we take away the ability of humans to drive' fits into that?
     
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    It's the closest to that option. Your third option suggests we should have our hands on the wheel at all times and the car keeps us from having accidents. As you're seeing in the feedback, it's a poorly written poll. That's the explanation.
     
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    Maybe when I'm too old or feeble to drive.
     
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    I enjoy driving myself too much. I will always own a car with a manual transmission as well
     
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    I briefly considered voting but all the answers end up being a variant of "have you stopped beating your wife?"

    I think full autonomy is desirable and probably inevitable, which is close to option 1, minus the soapbox. For the near-to-mid term future I'd probably choose to buy a vehicle with a steering wheel even if it could go full autonomous, which is what option 3 allegedly is but not what the plain text of option 3 says.
     
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    I would like to drive when I want and let the computer take over when I don't.
     
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    I am sure that sometime in the future, certain politicians will do everything they can to eliminate human driving. The do-gooders will not be able to resist pushing this. We will be paraded with all sorts of horror stories - typically involving children to convince the public they're no longer able to drive themselves.

    The attempt to do this will happen.

    Might take 15-25 years, but it will happen.
     
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    This is possible. I think it's arguable that vehicles will become so safety feature constrained that they are effectively autonomous anyway. So while you're arguing for a big one time push, I see it more as a feature by feature normalization. First it's automatic braking. Then collision avoidance, then keeping the car on the road, etc. not necessarily in that order, but you get the idea.

    I don't have quite the negative impression of the "do-gooders" that you do, however. So I may be overly optimistic.
     
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