larmor
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I want 100% autonomy, so i can have the car drop kids off. So i can be like those guys on the bikes in the morning instead of looking at them from my car, wondering who's dropping ur kids off?
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So how many actually want 100% autonomy (poll)
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So we can agree on the first part but I can't on the second. People are always going to want/need to drive. Not being able to drive is not going to become a "normal" because people don't want it.
There is still no reason to completely ban driving. There are solutions than can be done that don't ban it. To say otherwise show how close minded and unwilling to compromise you are.
Thank you for pointing this out. You're right, it does seem as if I'm the closed minded one in this conversation. I'll do my best to change moving forward.
The sarcasm is misused. I'm being creative and providing a way for the people that want to drive to keep being able while solving all of the problems that you want solved. Pretty open minded if you ask me.
You on the other hand are just like NOPE, you just straight to the only way is to ban it like we can't have a middle ground. Definition of closed minded.
Please show me the quote where I said that. I'm afraid you're mad that I revealed the emperor's wardrobe.
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I like driving, but it's overrated. Hear me out. Everyone on this forum was raised with automobiles, not horses or covered wagons. Being a master horseman meant something back then, mostly to the male ego but it mattered. People bread horses for specific tasks and learned how to optimize a horse's strengths while minimizing its weaknesses. Some horses had tempers but we're fast, or quick. Some trotted quite comfortably for hours. If you were well off you might have horses for each type of riding you wanted to do. Some would call that fun. But mostly, they were a utility and got the job done.
Cars showed up and horses were mostly forgotten in the utility category. We are now at the apex of cars and automation is soon to be doing all of the utility work. It just makes sense. We don't need more roads, we just need systems that allow cars to work together so they can move in unison. Humans have better things to do.
I guess I look at it a lot like transporters in Star Trek. If you could go into a closet at home press a button and end up at the beach, or anywhere, would you drive? It takes me 45 minutes to an hour to get from home to the beach, and the same back - it's not far, just traffic. Not to mention parking. I'd be flinging my atoms all over the place to not deal with that Automating our cars is a time saving step in that direction. Our kids will look at us driving the way we looked at people riding horses, it's all we had, and all we knew.
Times are changing.
Cars showed up and horses were mostly forgotten in the utility category. We are now at the apex of cars and automation is soon to be doing all of the utility work. It just makes sense. We don't need more roads, we just need systems that allow cars to work together so they can move in unison. Humans have better things to do.
I guess I look at it a lot like transporters in Star Trek. If you could go into a closet at home press a button and end up at the beach, or anywhere, would you drive? It takes me 45 minutes to an hour to get from home to the beach, and the same back - it's not far, just traffic. Not to mention parking. I'd be flinging my atoms all over the place to not deal with that Automating our cars is a time saving step in that direction. Our kids will look at us driving the way we looked at people riding horses, it's all we had, and all we knew.
Times are changing.
Automation takes away utility, doesn't add any. All that you said still doesn't mean we need to ban driving. What you said goes for you. You clearly hate driving, I don't even know why you started off saying you like it when you clearly don't. You can just leave you car in autopilot mode.
Um I would have to link every post you have made on this thread. It is the underlying message in every post you make. You say it without directly saying it every time.
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I don't why you think I want to ban driving. Other than voting for option 3, somewhere in between, this is my first post in this thread. I don't have autopilot and have never test driven it, but would like to do so. I hate commuting, but do enjoy *driving, flying, and coffee.
But a hundred years from now I'll be dead, sadly my children too. But the children of my yet to be conceived grandchildren will probably take up driving the way people take up horseback riding today. Mostly as a hobby, and in extreme environments out of necessity. As others have said, predicting the future past 5 years is tough, but odds are pretty good that many if not all of us will be flying via some sort of automated drone to accomplish both our commutes and recreational and social pursuits.
Someone freeze me now and wake me up in a 100 years please.
*Plus a very long list of other things, but you get the point.
Clearly you hate helicopters and would like to make tires illegal. You didn't say it outright, but I can read between the lines.
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You sir are clairvoyant!
But I am surprised that you did not mention my strong hatred of tea, since I love coffee. But I guess that was obvious.
Maybe we should have a poll about tea vs coffee. Then we can correlate that to Windows vs Macs, and cat people to dog people.
...and cats rule! Obviously.
So based on the mockery you don't want to ban driving? I have just really got that impression from you. You have acted like my shadow mode idea would never work when there is no reason it wouldn't. You have liked all the posts of people that want to ban it. You say in the future it could change but I don't think it will. There will always be people that want to drive just like there are still be people that like to ride horses. But their will be more than the horse lovers because a car is much more useful and in some cases much more enjoyable that a horse and a method like my shadow mode idea could allow them to with no threat or inconvenience to others.
I wish people would stop bringing up the horse as a example of how things change(even though I just did) as this is not the same. Humans love and require control. When the car came out you did not lose control. In fact you gained some because you were in control of an object not a living animal that can make its own decisions. Their will be a lot of people who will never want a car that they don't have the option to drive because it makes them lose any and all control. Unlike switching from a horse where you gained some and with it greater utility.
Ban driving. No, I don't want to ban driving, nor do I have that power.
I apologize for being unable to take you very seriously. From the wording of the poll to your continued posts revealing your entrenched bias, to the culmination of calling me "closed minded," I just don't feel like you're here to enjoy a reasoned conversation. If closed minded is accepting the idea that there are a multitude of outcomes, and open minded is believing that things have to be a certain way (people need to drive!), then I guess we need to redefine those terms. I'm open minded to the outcome that you suggest, and the outcomes that there is more automation, or less, and all of the ones in between. The thing I'm trying to say is that none of us know where we'll be and what we'll think about this. It's possible something will come up that rapidly supplants cars as the primary means of transportation.
I came across this today and thought of you immediately.
It crossed my mind that the guy writing the headline might be you.Fully autonomous cars are unlikely, says America’s top transportation safety official
If cars are autonomous, driving won't have to be fun, because instead of driving, you can do something else that's fun or productive instead.
My answer is Yes! Whole-heartedly 100% yes. I want full autonomy, and I hope it can done affordably, because that would transform the world in a stupendously positive way. Note that by affordable, I'm not talking about cheap. $20k would be more than cheap enough. In fact the number could likely be a higher than that (at least in developed nations). No, most people would not be able to afford to buy a car with a $20k autonomous systems, but it wouldn't matter, because at that price the vast majority of people wouldn't even be buying cars, they'd be using a lot-to-lot transportation rental system, leaving driving to be a leisure activity done on tracks, or by highly-trained specialists for emergency use.
My answer is Yes! Whole-heartedly 100% yes. I want full autonomy, and I hope it can done affordably, because that would transform the world in a stupendously positive way. Note that by affordable, I'm not talking about cheap. $20k would be more than cheap enough. In fact the number could likely be a higher than that (at least in developed nations). No, most people would not be able to afford to buy a car with a $20k autonomous systems, but it wouldn't matter, because at that price the vast majority of people wouldn't even be buying cars, they'd be using a lot-to-lot transportation rental system, leaving driving to be a leisure activity done on tracks, or by highly-trained specialists for emergency use.
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'Course, if you're sufficiently drunk there's a decent chance your judgement is so impaired you won't realize you shouldn't be taking manual control. That's why drunks in cars are dangerous to begin with. (Of course, I don't mean you "you." I mean some other drunk guy "you".) Consider whether the guy in the story "Lucky 8-Ball" (Crash and Burn - Snap #621 | Snap Judgment) would have had the sense to sit back and let the car handle the driving.
You might say the car should take over when it detects you're impaired (how? is it going to do a quick blood analysis whenever you take the wheel?) but someone else will yell "nanny state!". Or you might say that although some drunks will do something crazy, most won't, in which case I do agree -- perfect is the enemy of good.
The "need" to drive goes away with autonomy.
Shadow mode over the "want" to drive is fine.
I think of "need" as doing anything you do with a vehicle other than getting from A to B. Off-roading, launching boats, positioning for loading and unloading a truck, emergency situations, unmarked or unprepared roads, etc.but I thank you for being open to the shadow mode or something similar as it shows you are willing to compromise.
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They already have eye tracking software that can track where your looking. Combine that with a few other obvious signs and a system could probably determine if you are drunk. But that is not needed if their is a shadow mode protecting you or a drive by wire system that checks your inputs before executing them to make sure it can safely be done.
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