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So much to figure out before finalizing (Norway)

Discussion in 'Model S: Ordering, Production, Delivery' started by Dr.Ling, Apr 14, 2013.

  1. Dr.Ling

    Dr.Ling Member

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    Things have changed since I reserved the TMS. I've met a great girl, with two kids, and we're getting a house, which costs about NOK 4 mill (USD 700.000) around here. So my plan to cash out a P85 needs to be reconsidered. I really want to get the Model S, and the time to finalize is rapidly approaching, but there's so much to figure out before I can sign those papers.

    Financial incentives are pretty much clear.
    In Norway there's an annual tax for just owning a car, which for an EV is NOK 415 (USD 70), compared to NOK 2940 (USD 440) for an ICE: That's an annual saving of NOK 2525 (USD 370). For me personally I'll save about NOK 980 (USD 170) pr month in gas, using Teslas own calculator. There's also a toll road where I'll save about NOK 6000 (USD 1050) pr year. No bus lanes up here.
    Total annual saving for me personally: NOK 20.285 (USD 3540).

    Insurance costs
    Any norwegians out there who can tell me what the Tesla Model S is comparable to regarding insurance?

    Financing
    The financing option launched for US-customers seems too good to be true. Around 2 % interest a year (from what some are posting)? If they can offer something like that in Norway they'll soon have enough orders to keep them busy until 2017.

    Servicing options
    NOK 24.000 (USD 4200) for the 4-year plan w/ unlimited ranger visits seems like a significant cost. But I've never owned a newer car, so I don't know what annual service usually costs. Anyway, I thought EV's didn't need much servicing.... The unlimited ranger options seems like the only one to get, living 700 km (435 miles) from the nearest service center. And I don't know when that center's opening either (Trondheim).

    Build quality
    A lot of issues have been reported, making me glad my res.number is pretty high. But is EU P2206 high enough to escape those early model glitches?

    Wheels
    Unless they include the 19" wheels when opting for the 21"s, I don't see the point of chosing the 21"s. Looking at the US-prices: The 19"s are free, and worth NOK 13750 according to Tesla with tires, and you'll save about NOK 6000 (USD 1050) if chosing the 19"s and ordering the 21"s later for NOK 29775. But then there's shipping costs of course.
    I'd also need to get my car delivered on winter tyres.

    Performance or not.
    We all know the price-difference P vs non-P, about NOK 90.000. I really want it: Alcantara headlining, alcantara side-cushions on the seats, metal pedals instead of rubber, carbonfiber interior, supercar acceleration. I don't much care for the piping on the leather seats, look pretty stupid to me. Colored stitching would be a lot better, even if the seats look anything but "performance". The option to chose grey performance wheels means nothing to me. If they were black that would be a different story. So, is it worth it to cash out for the P? My current cars are 260 hp and 170 hp. I've been looking at power-to-weight ratios, my cars are 203 and 161 respectively, but comparing an EV with instant torque from 0 rpm to an ICE in this way seems pretty pointless. Model S power-to-weight ratios are not impressive: 65:143. 85:172. P85: 197. Maybe I should recalculate using torque instead....
    The way I drive I'd use that extra P85-power all the time... and isn't it important to increase the wow-factor for the passengers as well?

    Battery size - 60 kwh or 85 kwh?
    At the moment I live 3 floors above the offices where I work, meaning that my daily commute is 30 seconds on foot! When getting a house it will be 10 km each way. The longest trip I regularly do is to our summer house 130km away. Do I need the 85 kwh? I figure yes, for the performance boost only.

    Saving money by deleting options?
    The tech-package is a must have, and I'm talking about Xenon headlamps, electric rear gate and not having to press the keyfob, in particular. I don't use the navigation. Could I upgrade to navigation software at a later point, for instance if selling the car to someone who wants that?

    The air-suspension is also a must-have as the road and snow conditions can be pretty bad, so a little more ground clearance on demand is welcome.

    I don't think rare woods of any kind belongs in a car that's supposed to save the world. I'm not a great fan of piano black either, but I could get those surfaces wrapped with CF film later.

    And if I'm taking the ECO-theme to the extreme I'd have to say leather is a pretty questionable choice too. The textile seats look a lot better than I feared, though I've only seen pictures so far. Is the lumbar adjustments still removed for the textile seats? The norwegian site says both types have 12-way adjustment. The big question is of course how textile vs leather wears over the years. Tan leather is out of the question. It looks delicious and creamy when new, but pretty awful after a few years.
    The hardest thing of all will be to chose the color, but not much use discussing that here :)
     
  2. DonPedro

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    I was quoted NOK 7-8k for full ("kasko") insurance with a 70% rebate level ("bonus").

    If you are trying to find savings, I think the most important part is whether you want to be buying a high-priced toy (with specs you will seldom use). If not, then skip performance and 21" wheels. And in that case, don't get the 85 battery for performance (but maybe still get it for flexibility of future use).

    Since you are calling the tech package and the air suspension "must haves", I will not comment on them except saying that without nav I would never consider the tech package.

    Note also that there are new options out: Cold weather package, parking sensors and security/alarm. I think the first is a must-have where you live, and the second is very affordable (NOK 2,3k) and probably also a keeper. Read more here (in Norwegian): http://elbilforum.no/forum/index.php/topic,7580.0.html

    Good luck with your decision!
     
  3. Thorbjorn

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    Most insurance companies sites ive been on have a calculator where you can choose Model S.

    Ive really interested to know more about financing. Hope they have this ready soon. It may make or brake my purchase.
    (Im young not not very rich :p )
     
  4. Dr.Ling

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    I'll call my insurance, as their calculator didnt work; I could chose Tesla but not the model (If insurance).

    Anyone agree with me about the cost of wheels? See calculation above.

    Regarding the new options I'm sure I would get parking sensors, but the winter package I'm not so sure about. Seems to be made for people driving regularly in minus 5 degrees C or below, and I don't. With the improved vents feeding air to the windshield I wouldn't need this winter package too? The new lighting options and the security pack need some explanation before I'll make a decision about that. Doesn't the car come with a security system of some sort in standard form?

    It would be great to hear from other norwegians regarding what options you're not getting, and why. Anyone for textile seats? Or 60 kwh battery pack?
     
  5. DonPedro

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    Was not 100% sure I understood what you were trying to calculate. But make sure you take into account that everything you include in the original package will benefit from being without 25% value added tax, which you have to pay on everything you buy later.

    I am still very much deciding on options - 85 battery, parking sensors, winter package and tech package for sure (mainly for nav). Considering textile seats, but probably going for leather to get memory for driver settings. Rear seats for the kids for the fun of it and for the extra passenger capacity. Security package if I don't get the insurance discount without it.
     
  6. Dr.Ling

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    I took my worries and questions here: http://www.elbilforum.no (nowegian EV forum). Didn't know it existed. Easier to discuss in my native tongue when it comes to norway-specific stuff :) (home-electrics, rules regarding company cars, options specific for europe and so on)
     
  7. Right_Said_Fred

    Right_Said_Fred Model S - Sig. 283 EU

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    The only reason US banks can offer such low interest rates is the fact that the Fed is pumping money into the economy. For the same reason the Dow is breaking record after record. They are, simply said, printing money. The European central banks have a different policy, and thus European interest rates are higher. Time will tell which is the more sustainable method.
     

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