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So sick of the negativity

Discussion in 'Model 3' started by M falcon, Apr 13, 2018.

  1. N5329K

    N5329K Active Member

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    I think you're right. There are still early adopters being drawn to Model 3 who are not current owners. I met quite a few Prius folks signing up for their first real EV who were every bit as enthusiastic as any Roadster owner. That said, early adopters are early adopters. By definition a pretty small portion of a product's lifetime bell curve. And they, like the early early adopters, will be more forgiving of flaws of all kinds than those who are trying their first EV family car, and are hoping for the best.
    It's Tesla's challenge to give that to them, to the extent possible.
    Robin
     
  2. Warrentt

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    My point is that majority of roadster owner using it as the main mode of transportation (aka daily driver) would be significantly less compare to Toyota Camry or Honda Accord. Would you agree with me on that? So you meet or know 100 owners, would you say that is the majority owners of ALL roadster or that is your own personal experience. Do you know how many Toyota Camry or Honda Accord was sold over the last 20 years? I wouldn’t even start compare the number between those car. It is a luxury vehicle and it is still is. How many are able to afford roadster as daily driver mode of transportation. It is not a vehicle for the mass doesn’t matter how you slice it.

    Is the model 3 competition is in this area/category or Elon goal was to bring mass market model to reality. Those populations are not early adopters or able to be more lenient on issues or mishap vs roadster owners. That is my point.

    You are able to afford one and use one as daily mode of transportation doesn’t meant millions people out there could.
     
  3. Warrentt

    Warrentt Member

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    I’m not always negative toward Tesla but I will point out any fact or truth. I’m sorry but I can’t be helpful or provide any insight because I’m still waiting for my car 2+ years now and counting. Maybe if I’m lucky then i will get it in 7-9 months.
     
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  4. Electroman

    Electroman Supporting Member

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    You are spot on.

    This company will go bankrupt before they make a single 'S'
    They will never make an X.
    They will never make more than 10k 'X' per year
    No one has signed up for partnership with Tesla for Gigafactory
    Gigafactory will never be built; Nevada has been scammed
    The prototype 3 is fake; the one on display has no battery, so it has to be fake
    M3 will never see the light of production
    No one will buy M3 as it is too expensive and competition will kill it. Bolt, Bolt, Bolt.
    All the preorders will dry out before they even make one M3
    They will never get to 2500 a week
    They will never get to 5000 a week
    They will never be profitable, the more they make the more they lose
    Competition will eat 'Y' for breakfast and lunch. I-Pace I-Pace I-Pace
     
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  5. Saimaannorppa

    Saimaannorppa Member

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    Short investors are obvious Tesla bashers. But think about the whole auto industry.

    Companies who have no moral problem in e.g. cheating authorities and customers on emissions, using people as test subjects for exhaust fumes, creating a cartel on spare parts, killing EV programs just because, skipping safety recalls on cost-benefit analysis etc.

    Now facing threat of disruption, which means for them huge write offs on existing IPR and production capabilities. Being late for years on needed investments.

    Do you think they would be ready to play a bit dirty?
     
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  6. xav-

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    What if they have nothing else to do though? :(
     
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  7. vinnie97

    vinnie97 #WalkAway

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    The Jalopnik articles/comments can give SA a run for its money.
     
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  8. novox77

    novox77 1.21 Gigawatts

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    It's pretty much just Ryan Felton.
     
  9. John Lamoureux

    John Lamoureux l Parzival l

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    Paid shill! Paid shill! :D
     
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  10. FROZENinNY

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    I do not post or reply often but wanted to say that my M3 after1500 miles has exceeded my expectations. After using my MS for a few years as an reliable daily driver, my M3 VIN 0068xx has already proven itself under all conditions here in harsh upstate NY. Most of the flaws or criticism is not warranted and it seems blown out of proportion. The M3 is now my daily driver and at my age I have tried about every car out there over the last 48 years and this car has given me a comfort level I have never experienced. Nobodys fanboy here, just sharing my experience. Got a problem? Then I find that making a phone call or reading the manual will solve a vast majority of issues. Running to the forums and posting nonsense solves very little other than feeding resentments. Drive the car. Sold my MS as I cannot afford two Teslas.
     
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  11. bonnie

    bonnie I play a nice person on twitter.

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    #51 bonnie, Apr 15, 2018
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    The point being made was that I posted about a great group of owners on this forum - and then it was used as a platform to talk about another pet peeve that had nothing to do with my post. I didn't post about it being a main mode of transportation (though it is for many), I didn't post about how many vs. Toyota Camry, I didn't post about mass market, I didn't post about cost vs who could afford one or not. (And really, it's not a luxury vehicle. Most sport cars are not. You've never sat in one :), but it's cramped for two people (especially if you decide to use the sole cup holder), it's too noisy to hold a phone call, it uses a key(!!), it has a seriously small display screen, it is impossible for some to get out of without help, manual steering (appropriate, but not for a luxury car), the seats don't adjust much, heating is substandard, cooling doesn't work on really hot days because it needs to cool the battery - no def not a luxury car. But Roadsters have soul.)

    I posted about a great group of people on the forum, where there is a remarkable lack of drama & people willing to help each other. And somehow you took that as something where you needed to point out some fact or truth. I understand that as a population, Roadster owners are a much higher percentage of early adopters. That was not my point. Bmah had a great point, so I'll repeat it here (and one that has nothing to do with being an early adopter or ability to afford a car): "I disagree with the assertion that higher-volume or "mass market" Teslas are incompatible with community building. Remember that in a sense, we're all still early adopters, just not as early as the people who bought the Roadsters back in the day."

    The Roadster area of this forum is a great community, free of the negativity. That's not a slam at you.
     
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  12. Msjulie

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    Let me just say this - niche perhaps, luxury - nope! :)

    My 3 is now an 'early' production version, in very low 4xxx and it had a couple cosmetic issues but in general has been what I expected. I'l admit to being on the fan-girl side of the spectrum but realistic about the challenges ahead.

    There is literally no other American car I would even consider and that says tons - especially if you knew me and my less than complimentary opinion of nearly anything American built in the last couple decades...
     
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  13. sitter_k

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    Op, you should check out the model x forum....
     
  14. T34ME

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    "No model 3 for you!" (Seinfeld)
     
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  15. dc_h

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    About 11 billion is short positions in Tesla. AAPL briefly took the lead last few weeks, but tsla is again the most shorted stock.

    S3 Partners on Twitter

    Please don’t diss without doing your own research.
     
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  16. SageBrush

    SageBrush REJECT Fascism

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    Don't you have to put that number into context by considering the value of the company, or at least the stockholder value ?
     
  17. Ulmo

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    Hey, why are you picking apart the Model 3? Just enjoy the car, man.
     
  18. ChadS

    ChadS Last tank of gas: March 2009

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    I agree the Roadster was not a mass market car; in fact I made no claims along those lines. But whether it's mass-market or not does not affect whether owners care about whether it starts or not; just as it being more expensive does not make owners suddenly not care if it started.

    That's the part of your message I took exception to. Roadster owners want their cars to start in the morning too.
     
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  19. Warrentt

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    Which part of my statement is not true. One metric for the amount of money being shorted on TSLA doesn’t equal to true for all metric. All you do is quoting some text and regurgitate doesn’t meant you know as the only sole fact about Tesla stock.

    I made money both on long and short on TSLA. Do you know what market cap and float being short is.
     
  20. cpa

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    I think this is a brilliant sentiment. Perhaps it is my age (65) or my profession, but those of us who do not understand tech, do not understand why things do not work as intended. I would be out of business (and perhaps have my license revoked) if my work product were like much of tech (including Tesla) because things did not work properly. In dealing with both hardware and software companies over the years both personally and through my clients, I have come away with the feeling that the product works "well enough" and that there is a workaround for those times when it does not. It seems that the professionals in the tech industry are pursuing the next big project before the current project is wrapped up to the satisfaction of the customer. A lot of people, including me, do not understand this industry standard.

    To me this is difficult to explain to the ordinary people who want to embrace this new mode of transportation but who do not understand the inherent differences in the standards for acceptable tech products versus standards for acceptable products in other industries. Contrary to what a lot of you and certainly Tesla may think there are a lot of people in this subset of customers.

    Tesla makes matters more difficult for themselves because their communication sucks. Phone calls go to voice mail and frequently are not returned. Emails go unanswered. (We are still waiting for our license plates for our 3 that was purchased January 13, despite two emails and a call.)

    Word-of-mouth is the best advertising. It is axiomatic that if word-of-mouth among those who are ignorant or unforgiving is negative, sales will suffer until Tesla makes it a priority to make the necessary corrections and improvements to quash the perceptions of a substandard product as compared to its competitors. Perception is reality, after all.
     
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