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So what actually IS a charger then?

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I've read here that the unfortunately named Wall Charger is unfortunately named because it isn't really a charger. In fact the charger is allegedly inside the vehicle

Can anyone shed any light on this semantic mystery?
If by "charger" you mean the control electronics that manages the charge rate etc, then yes, that "charger" is indeed inside the car (since the car knows best). The thing you plug into the car is more correctly called the "connector". However, this kind of messy terminology is all over the place: your phone "charger" is really just a (mostly) dumb voltage step-down/DC converter ... the phone is what controls the charge rate (and stops it when the battery is charged).

The reality is that its the combination of the two that gets the work done, but the "smarts" are usually in the device being charged, since that's the part that knows what to do and for how long etc.
 
A battery charger is a device that provides power/voltage/current to a battery and manages the power to provide safe and optimal charging.

In the case of a Tesla, the 'charger' is actually primarily in the car but there is some signaling that goes between the wall unit and the car, so one could argue that the 'charger' is actually split between the car and the wall unit.

In the vernacular, people refer to the wall connector as a 'charger' because it's a box on the wall with a cord that you plug into the car. Like @drtimhill said, most people consider a 'charger' to be the thing you plug into the device you want charged.
 
I've read here that the unfortunately named Wall Charger is unfortunately named because it isn't really a charger. In fact the charger is allegedly inside the vehicle

Can anyone shed any light on this semantic mystery?

Thats the thing, its not named "Wall charger". The names (as someone might have already said)

HPWC = High Power Wall Connector
Device that comes with the vehicle = Mobile Connector
EVSE = Electric Vehicle Supply Equipment

No where do they call it the "charger" thats just internet speak. They are fancy extension cords / plugs, that announce to the vehicle how much power is available. The "Charger" is in the car.

When you supercharger a tesla, you actually bypass the cars internal charger as the power is delivered directly to the battery (Which is why Superchargers are called Superchargers and not SuperConnectors).
 
CHAdeMO is a DC charging standard. Yes, that bypasses the internal "charger" that converts AC to DC. A Tesla Supercharger also bypasses that internal charger as it's DC.

The CHAdeMO adapter is made by Tesla.

The DC charging protocols (CCS, CHAdeMO, SuC) have a communication protocol with the car to determine at what rate to charge... Ultimately it's the car that decides how much power to pull...
 
I've read here that the unfortunately named Wall Charger is unfortunately named because it isn't really a charger. In fact the charger is allegedly inside the vehicle

Can anyone shed any light on this semantic mystery?
Let’s help solve the mystery.
The Tesla onboard battery charger is actually a transformer/rectifier that has quite a job to do. It takes your home’s (or wherever) available electricity, that is alternating current (AC) at a voltage of 120v or 240v.…
and converts that to direct current (DC) and ramps up the voltage to a hefty and quite dangerous 350v-400v for storage in the Tesla HV Li battery pack. Not an easy job.
It take time to get all that done and it’s why the common 120v plug takes longer and is less efficient than 240v, because there is a bigger step to get to 350-400v ! Way more work to be done by the charger.
Not something you would want hanging on your wall, with the possible exposure of electrocution.
Also consider the charger is proprietary that no other EV could use, because every EV is different in its battery voltage and charging requirements…..so let’s keep the charger onboard the car !
If the actual charger were hanging on your wall it would cost about $7000 and another $1000 or so for installation and permit wait. No Thanks! I’ll take a simple ‘wall CONNECTOR’ or EVSE. It’s job is simply to communicate the delivery current specifications, and let the CHARGER do the magic.


Back in the day……a home charger looked like this beauty, for the EV1
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Stand alone “Fast chargers”, such as a Tesla Supercharger or CSS or Chademo, simply deliver DC current at a high voltage directly to the battery, no conversions (by the onboard charger) necessary. That’s why they’re fast !

The work is done by those huge and expensive transformer rectifiers at the charging station.
 
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A battery charger is a device that provides power/voltage/current to a battery and manages the power to provide safe and optimal charging.

In the case of a Tesla, the 'charger' is actually primarily in the car but there is some signaling that goes between the wall unit and the car, so one could argue that the 'charger' is actually split between the car and the wall unit.

In the vernacular, people refer to the wall connector as a 'charger' because it's a box on the wall with a cord that you plug into the car. Like @drtimhill said, most people consider a 'charger' to be the thing you plug into the device you want charged.

Exactly.

Historically batteries were simple and self regulating (lead acid, NiCad, etc.) so the "charger" was just the regulated power cord you connected.
But lithium batteries need vastly more intimate care and protection so they almost always have built-in circuitry and the term "charger" could refer to this sophisticated circuitry that actually manages the charge if you're an electrical engineer, or it could refer to the power cord if you're a regular person.

Bottom line, if you want to charge your car with a charger then go for it. If you want to connect your car to a wall, then, um, good luck with that.

Funny that people ask this but never questioned the fact that gas stations typically don't sell gas.
 
Exactly.

Historically batteries were simple and self regulating (lead acid, NiCad, etc.) so the "charger" was just the regulated power cord you connected.
But lithium batteries need vastly more intimate care and protection so they almost always have built-in circuitry and the term "charger" could refer to this sophisticated circuitry that actually manages the charge if you're an electrical engineer, or it could refer to the power cord if you're a regular person.

Bottom line, if you want to charge your car with a charger then go for it. If you want to connect your car to a wall, then, um, good luck with that.

Funny that people ask this but never questioned the fact that gas stations typically don't sell gas.

You can easily blow up lead acid batteries, NiCad batteries, NiMH batteries, or Lithium batteries, not sure how you concluded that the prior tech was "self regulating".

The Charger is the device that converts the AC power from the grid into DC power and provides that DC power to the battery. That's it. For your phone and probably for your Laptop this charger is external from the device. This is what people are used too, so they call the cord that plugs into the wall with the power brick on it the charger... and they are correct in the case of the cell phone or laptop.

Using your phone as an example, you have a USB block that converts AC power from the wall into DC power of the correct voltage and amperage to go to your phone, that block is the charger, on most laptop cords there is an obvious "power brick" somewhere in the middle of the cord, and that brick is the actual charger. Before USB connectors this was more obvious than it is now with the charger being separate from the USB cord used to charge the phone.

The on board charger in a Tesla (or any other EV) is the same as that USB block, or laptop power brick, it takes the AC power provided from the wall via the EVSE (the EVSE is a "smart" extension cord with a high power relay and communications circuits to communicate with the cars BMS) and converts that AC power to DC power of the correct Voltage and amperage for charging the battery.

What you are incorrectly calling the charger on board the Tesla is actually the battery management system (BMS) The BMS is the computer system that is in control of the onboard charger, telling it what voltage and amperage are required.

If you want to charge your car with a charger, you actually can for any EV other than a Tesla. They make external chargers that convert the output from an EVSE to DC power that can then be used on a non Tesla EV via the DC fast charging system, thus bypassing the on board charger... I know they make them for CCS equipped cars. They may make them for CHAdeMO as well, in which case if you have the CHAdeMO to Tesla adapter you really could hook your Tesla up to a charger instead of using a wall connector... no idea why you would go to the expense of doing this though... the rest of us will hook up to the wall connector.

Oh, and yes, gas (short for gasoline) is a petroleum based liquid fuel sold at gas stations, commonly called "petrol" in the UK and other English speaking countries other than in North America... do you tell people in GB that they don't sell "petrol" at petrol stations? If you honestly thought it was a gas, rather than being the short form of the word gasoline then I am sorry for your misconception. I doubt that is the case though.

Keith
 
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Using your phone as an example, you have a USB block that converts AC power from the wall into DC power of the correct voltage and amperage to go to your phone, that block is the charger, on most laptop cords there is an obvious "power brick" somewhere in the middle of the cord, and that brick is the actual charger. Before USB connectors this was more obvious than it is now with the charger being separate from the USB cord used to charge the phone.

The on board charger in a Tesla (or any other EV) is the same as that USB block, or laptop power brick, it takes the AC power provided from the wall via the EVSE (the EVSE is a "smart" extension cord with a high power relay and communications circuits to communicate with the cars BMS) and converts that AC power to DC power of the correct Voltage and amperage for charging the battery.

Keith
This is incorrect, the extrrnal power bricks do indeed convert AC to DC at a known voltage, but current draw (amperage) is controlled by the device under charge. This is true for phones (which take in DC) and the car (which takes in AC). Dumb devices are indeed just pumped with power from the brick, but smart devices control charging by regulating the current flow on the device. The Tesla Wall Connector has no smarts fir power control besides telling the car the max power it can supply .. its the car that handles power draw. This is also true in general of smart phones.

(This is not true if DC fast chargers however, where yhe car snd charger cooperate.)
 
This is incorrect, the extrrnal power bricks do indeed convert AC to DC at a known voltage, but current draw (amperage) is controlled by the device under charge. This is true for phones (which take in DC) and the car (which takes in AC). Dumb devices are indeed just pumped with power from the brick, but smart devices control charging by regulating the current flow on the device. The Tesla Wall Connector has no smarts fir power control besides telling the car the max power it can supply .. its the car that handles power draw. This is also true in general of smart phones.

(This is not true if DC fast chargers however, where yhe car snd charger cooperate.)
True for newer devices, and I should have included that, thanks for the correction.

In older laptops and cell phones it was a very dumb system with basic "don't over charge it" controls... one of the reasons cell phone batteries and laptop batteries last a lot longer now is the control logic built into the phones and laptops. I replaced a battery in an old laptop so my wife could give it too her niece for college... the old battery was swelled up so bad it cracked the laptop case. I was afraid of it, and turned it in to a battery recycling place as fast as I could... I kept it in the freezer until I was ready to take it in for recycling.

Keith
 
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These may help the OP:
https://www.sae.org/binaries/content/assets/cm/content/standards/chargingprimer.pdf
planet4ever's diagram at My Nissan Leaf Forum • View topic - Range issues
Onboard Charger - I'm guessing the OP saw this already.

Tesla's mobile and wall connectors (formerly aka HPWC "high power wall connector") are J1772 EVSEs behind the scenes but with a proprietary connector instead of a J1772 handle.
 
And, speaking as a EE who actually plays with DC->DC conversion for a living..
It's actually a bit interesting and has to do with frequency. AC power runs at 60/50 Hz. In Ye Olden Days, if one wanted to get, say, 600V DC to play with, one would run the wall socket power into a boat anchor of a transformer. 120 or 220 VAC in; 600 VAC out. One would then rectify the 600 VAC to DC with diodes of one flavor or another, and there one was.
And I wasn't kidding about the transformer being a boat anchor: The ones used in TV sets were 20-30 lbs, and that was only for a couple of hundred watts of power. If one wanted to run 10kW to 20 kW in this fashion, then we're talking about using a forklift to get the transformer moved around.
Thing is, to make a transformer work, one has to make a magnetic field. One does this by winding copper around iron, iron having the characteristic of multiplying the magnetic field strength. The more power one wants to move, the stronger the magnetic field one needs. But, there's a problem: Run too big a magnetic field and the magnetic field in the iron stops increasing. This is called, "saturation" and, when it happens, Bad Things Happen. (At least when it doesn't happen by design; there are things like magnetic amplifiers where saturation happens on purpose.)
Thing is, though, that at higher frequencies, magnetic materials can be formulated to handle higher power with less weight. Which is why, if one has ever been in an airplane, one will hear a 400 Hz humming below the floorboards, rather than a 60 Hz hum: Generators, transformers, and what-all weight a lot less when they run at 400 Hz for the same power.
Now, in modern hoo-ha like TVs, computers, and Teslas, the usual trick is to forgo the boat anchors and do the conversions at much, much higher frequencies. The usual trick is to:
  1. Rectify the incoming AC power to some form of DC. This requires Big Transistors with Serious Heat Sinks.
  2. Using these switching transistors, run the current back and forth inside a small transformer at frequencies of 500 kHz and up. 1 MHz isn't unusual. Seeing as the frequencies are 'way the heck up there, the transformers can be tiny: What used to require a 20 lbs boat anchor to move 300W now requires a 6 or 10 oz module.
  3. Take the high-frequency output of the secondary of the transformer and rectify it to the DC voltage level of one's choice.
Interestingly, this arrangement gets one power conversion efficiencies in the 85%-95% range, which is actually better than the old boat anchor arrangement. Fundamentally, less losses in the iron. Further, by playing with how much current to run through the primary of the transformer (pulse width modulation on the switching transistors) one can vary both the input and output voltages. In case you were wondering, this is why the power brick on your laptop can take in anything from 120 VAC to 240 VAC, without flipping switches. Now, a Tesla does accept 120 VAC to 240 VAC, but it's possible in the interests of efficiency that they're also playing with relays in there.
Point is, though: Converting from 60Hz/50Hz city power to DC, at least before the DC-DC conversion step, takes serious hardware: big capacitors, big switching transistors, and so on. In large part, all because it has to run at low, city power frequencies. On most Teslas these days, each city-power to high voltage DC step is done with 18A modules: Three for M3 LR and P, two for SR.
Now, this business about "bypassing" the rectifiers: Technically, true. Instead of going through the AC->DC first stage conversion step, the incoming high-voltage DC goes to the second DC->DC step, where the input voltage is around 480 VDC. The output voltage of that DC-DC stage is designed to vary. If one has a pretty-much discharged battery, its voltage is low and the second DC-DC stage is actively controlled to have a given current at some volts above the current battery voltage. As the battery charges up, the rate of charge (i.e., current into the battery) is varied by actively controlling the output voltage of the second DC-DC conversion stage.
In a strict sense, then, it's this second DC-DC stage and its control hardware that's the actual entity that doing the charging on a Tesla. Switching frequencies in this block are, I'm sure, as high as Tesla can make them, in order to reduce weight and get good efficiency.

So, once again:
1. The charger is in the car. It accepts around 480 DC or some such and generates an output voltage and current that actually charges the battery.
2. There's two or three City Power to 480 VDC blocks in the Tesla that lets it charge from city power.
3. The Wall Connector and/or Mobile Connector simply provides another way to get City Power into the City Power to 480 VDC blocks.
4. Superchargers bypass the City Power to 480 VDC blocks and apply 480 VDC directly to the second bunch of DC-DC converters.