scottrobertson
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He has said this for years?Ha ha ha ha ha! OMG Elon finally gets it! After how many years working on Autopilot he finally gets it!
Except... probably not. He'll be right back to overpromising in 3, 2, 1...
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He has said this for years?Ha ha ha ha ha! OMG Elon finally gets it! After how many years working on Autopilot he finally gets it!
Except... probably not. He'll be right back to overpromising in 3, 2, 1...
The works well everywhere part is what makes me think/hope that he's shooting for WW release of this instead of just US-only first as the early access release notes said.
He has said this for years?
"Extremely difficult to achieve a general solution for self-driving that works well everywhere."
It is that quote right there that confirms even further my thoughts that FSD is several years away. If Tesla is struggling to get "drive on NAV" out the door, which is going to be limited to only certain highways, then we've got a long way to go. Think of your typical daily drive... how many edge cases do you see? Things you may not even think about because for a human they're easily navigated or you're just used to them. A weird intersection here, an partly obscured stop sign there, an unusual traffic light set up, no lines at all on a side road, etc... those things and more are everywhere. I'd love to see FSD become a reality, but I'm not holding my breath. Don't get me wrong I love my Model S and love that Tesla is pushing to make a FSD capable system, but it seems a long way off.
Well said!You may be right that FSD is several years away but I think you might be slightly off about the reasons why. Musk's tweet doesn't say that they are struggling to get drive on nav to work on limited highways. Actually, if you watched the videos, drive on nav seemed to work pretty well on limited highways. So the issue is not that they can't even get it right for limited highways. If FSD is years away, it is not, as you say, because they can't even get the limited cases right. The issue is that they want to get it right for more than just limited highways. If you look at Musk's tweet he says it is "Extremely difficult to achieve a general solution for self-driving that works well everywhere.". Note the emphasis in bold. They are looking to expand drive on nav to work everywhere. That is why it is so difficult. So if FSD is years away, it's because they can do the limited cases just fine but need to make it work for all those edge cases too.
If anything, Musk's tweet reveals his ambitious vision again. He is not content to release a self-driving feature in a very limited case like many other auto makers have done. He wants the self-driving feature that "works everywhere".
Musk's tweet also seems to imply, at least to me, what I have been thinking now for awhile. "drive on nav" is intended to be the bucket that all the self-driving features will go into. That is why he calls it a "general solution for self-driving". It is called "drive on nav" or "navigate on autopilot" because it is intended to be that "drive from A to B" that makes FSD work. So right now, it can do auto lane changes on the highway, but I suspect that Musk also wants it to do auto lane changes on other roads as well and eventually be able to make turns at intersections, stop at red lights etc..
The bottom line is that "navigate on autopilot" is a critical feature that has the potential to make or break "highway self-driving" so Tesla needs to get it right.
At least I hope the tweet means we'll get the DON feature everywhere, not only US.
I think Mad-Max mode is reserved for Australia and Max Verstappen
Anyone know if Firetruck Super-Destruction mode has been successfully removed from v9 yet?
IOW, should the use of all 3 forward-facing cameras be able to alleviate what is AFAIK essentially the problem caused by using a radar sensor unable to discriminate with sufficient resolution between hard stationary objects lying in the planned vehicle path and those to the side or overhead of same?
Or is this a fundamental design flaw unlikely to be overcome with any radar/camera/ultrasonic sensor suite in the next 5 years?
I thought autonomous driving was pretty much a solved problem in the Q2 2016 results call? Now it’s hard to find a generalized solution? WTAF?
Was he able to update to 39.5 for you after pushing 36 first?FYI I asked the Tesla ranger to stage the new update this morning. He said it wouldn’t let him jump me from 34 to 39–He had to push 36 first. So if you’re not on 36, you’re still two updates away.
"Almost ready. We expanded the early access program to 1000 more users a few days ago."
Elon Musk on Twitter
v9 is almost ready!
Yes, but not realistic feature sets.
In June, V9 added the first FSD features. In August, it was down to "the next level of autonomy." At release, it's "no additional autonomy."
It's easy to hit dates if you just keep deleting features. Of course, he missed the date by a month too, even when it was only 2 months away.
Watched a video on coma.ai with George explaining their newest release of self driving software and he mentioned that the radars on most of the cars filters out stationary objects so he has to rely on vision to detect stopped objects and avoid hitting them. It is apparently not easy so he doesn't have that working right yet. He talks about changing the cars radars to some newer version. Tesla has the advantage of 3 forward facing cameras so it should be able to obtain distance information to stationary objects and discriminate between objects that are near the path of travel and those that are in the path of travel. This would fix the phantom braking and running into firetrucks.