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Space Adventures private Dragon flight : NET Late 2021

HVM

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Space Adventures announces agreement with @SpaceX to launch private citizens on Dragon spacecraft https://spaceadventures.com/space-adventures-announces-agreement-with-spacex-to-launch-private-citizens-on-the-crew-dragon-spacecraft/ …

Space Adventures Announces Agreement with SpaceX to Launch Private Citizens on the Crew Dragon Spacecraft

"Mission profile provides opportunity to break a world record

February 18, 2020 — Building on the success of Crew Dragon’s first demonstration mission to the International Space Station in March 2019 and the recent successful test of the spacecraft’s launch escape system, Space Adventures, Inc. has entered into an agreement with SpaceX to fly private citizens on the first Crew Dragon free-flyer mission. This will provide up to four individuals with the opportunity to break the world altitude record for private citizen spaceflight and see planet Earth the way no one has since the Gemini program.

If interested parties are secured, this mission will be the first orbital space tourism experience provided entirely with American technology. Private citizens will fly aboard SpaceX’s fully autonomous Crew Dragon spacecraft launched by the company’s Falcon 9 rocket, the same spacecraft and launch vehicle that SpaceX will use to transport NASA astronauts to the International Space Station.

“This historic mission will forge a path to making spaceflight possible for all people who dream of it, and we are pleased to work with the Space Adventures’ team on the mission,” said Gwynne Shotwell, President and Chief Operating Officer, SpaceX.

“Creating unique and previously impossible opportunities for private citizens to experience space is why
Space Adventures exists. From 2001-2009 our clients made history by flying over 36 million miles in space on eight separate missions to the ISS. Since its maiden mission in 2010, no engineering achievement has consistently impressed the industry more than the Dragon/Falcon 9 reusable system. Honoring our combined histories, this Dragon mission will be a special experience and a once in a lifetime opportunity – capable of reaching twice the altitude of any prior civilian astronaut mission or space station visitor,” said Eric Anderson, Chairman, Space Adventures."

 

ecarfan

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NASA is paying SpaceX about $55M per seat.
I’m pretty sure if SpaceX flies four tourists on a Crew Dragon the per seat price will be much less than that.

At that price the potential pool of customers who are wealthy enough and motivated to go to space is very small.

Even at “just” $10 million per seat the market is pretty small, but perhaps large enough to do one or two flights a year.

The Crew Dragon mockup capsule Elon showed off a few years ago had 7 seats. If the “tourist” version of the capsule could be configured to seat 6 with one SpaceX crew member onboard then maybe the per seat price could be $10 million and the flights could show a profit.
 
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e-FTW

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This will provide up to four individuals with the opportunity to break the world altitude record for private citizen spaceflight and see planet Earth the way no one has since the Gemini program.
How? Did Apollo not go higher than Gemini? Last time I checked going to the Moon and back aforded some decent views...
capable of reaching twice the altitude of any prior civilian astronaut mission or space station visitor
Or is this about a specific orbit?
 

ecarfan

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This tweet from Steve Jurvetson states there will be just four passengers. Based on that, plus the Space Adventures video stating that flight duration will be “up to” five days, leads me to believe the ticket cost is going to be truly out of this world: at least $15 million. I’m guessing $20 million. Very limited market.

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Cosmacelf

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So, let's see. You get to pee and poo into some sort of diaper bag system for three days. Eat MREs. Most likely get motion sick. I think I'll ... pass.
 
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Nikxice

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How? Did Apollo not go higher than Gemini? Last time I checked going to the Moon and back aforded some decent views...

Or is this about a specific orbit?
Certainly an eye catching marketing ploy, Space Adventures is writing different yet related statements. "This will provide up to four individuals with the opportunity to break the world altitude record for private citizen spaceflight and see planet Earth the way no one has since the Gemini program."
The world record for a private citizen would be that of the ISS, about 250 miles. Just checking Wikipedia, Gemini 11 might fit the profile for both conditions. Pete Conrad and Dick Gordon raised their orbital apogee to 850 miles after docking with an Agena target vehicle. It might actually be less complicated for SpaceX to establish a Crew Dragon into an elliptical versus circular orbit. The Starlink-4 mission this week only required a single burn of its second stage Merlin engine. I believe they usually perform two burns to circularize orbits.

I was also curious as to what height a human can view the earth as a whole disc. The best resource I found was from a NASA photogrammetrist (yup that's a job). Someone who expertly extracts information from photographs. Answer, 12,000 miles.
 

Electroman

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Certainly an eye catching marketing ploy, Space Adventures is writing different yet related statements. "This will provide up to four individuals with the opportunity to break the world altitude record for private citizen spaceflight and see planet Earth the way no one has since the Gemini program."
The world record for a private citizen would be that of the ISS, about 250 miles. Just checking Wikipedia, Gemini 11 might fit the profile for both conditions. Pete Conrad and Dick Gordon raised their orbital apogee to 850 miles after docking with an Agena target vehicle. It might actually be less complicated for SpaceX to establish a Crew Dragon into an elliptical versus circular orbit. The Starlink-4 mission this week only required a single burn of its second stage Merlin engine. I believe they usually perform two burns to circularize orbits.

I was also curious as to what height a human can view the earth as a whole disc. The best resource I found was from a NASA photogrammetrist (yup that's a job). Someone who expertly extracts information from photographs. Answer, 12,000 miles.


Eric Anderson on Twitter

This is a free-flyer mission. No visit to the ISS. Will attempt to reach 2-3x higher altitude than station. Quite unique.
 

ecarfan

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So, let's see. You get to pee and poo into some sort of diaper bag system for three days. Eat MREs. Most likely get motion sick. I think I'll ... pass.
Yep. No private bathroom facility, I assume. And space food. :eek: And no private sleep cubicle like on the ISS.

Given the cramped quarters, if I could afford whatever the ticket price is going to be, I would rather the flight would be a maximum of 8 hours, which would result in many orbits, and then back down. I would not want to do multiple days in that capsule.
 

adiggs

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Heck - if I could afford it, I'd take whatever was on offer. Talk about a source of party conversation afterwards "yeah - I was in space for 5 days; orbited the world 53 times - even slept up there. The view from up there is a m a z I n g".

Everything else is just noise.

I'll have to get pretty aggressive with TSLA options to ever be able to afford this.
 

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