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"Space Force" branch of the military created

Discussion in 'SpaceX' started by Grendal, Jun 18, 2018.

  1. Grendal

    Grendal SpaceX Moderator

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    1. The Outer Space Treaty of 1967 bans the placement of weapons of mass destruction (but not conventional weapons) in orbit, space, or on non-Earth celestial bodies. It also bans military actions on other bodies, including testing, maneuvers, and bases. Just to establish the bounds of what a United States Space Force could actually do in space.

    2. The power to actually create a USSF lies with Congress, and we all know how good the current Congress is about getting things done. Per Article I, Section 8 of the Constitution of the United States:

      So absent a literal act of Congress, space will remain the domain of the USAF.

    3. Today's order directs the DoD to begin preparations for creating a USSF. The last time a new branch of the United States Military was created was 1947, with the splitting of Army Air Forces from the Army. The USAAF was already a very large component of the Army and had operated independently for almost the entirety of WWII; separating it into its own branch made sense. Even that was a long process; Eisenhower became Army Chief of Staff (the senior uniformed officer in the US Army) in November 1945 and started planning for a reorganization of the Army and Army Air Force that would support the eventual legislation to split the two; which came in July 1947 and took effect in September 1947. No such preparations have been made within the USAF, and the USAF Space Command is a much smaller component than the USAAF was 75 years ago.
     
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    Saw this on C!Net and it made me laugh...

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    @Elon - seriously get a move on with the Mars project - this is going to end badly.

    Weaponization of space is already happening.
    Trump's just given it credibility which is all China and Russia need by way of justification
    Utter. Madness..
     
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    so he went public with it, one less thing to keep secret now.

    it's not like this wasn't going on anyway for the past 40 years, and it sure as hell isn't just us.
     
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    The hope for a peaceful Space only continues to fade with this kind of nonsense. The U.S. Air Force is more than capable of protecting us without a reality TV star driven Space Force drama department.

    I recall the premise of the 1960's show Thunderbirds was to engage in international rescues, but apparently 'Brains' is now opting for future dogfighting aces in Space. brains thunderbird 6.jpg
     
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    There seems to be some disagreement as to whether Trump can order the creation of a new armed forces branch. The constitution says congress holds the power to raise and support armies. See article: link
     
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  9. Grendal

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    He can't actually create the Space Force. What he has done with his Executive Order is tell Congress that the Executive branch wants a Space Force which is not just a subdivision of the Air Force. Congress can pat him on the head and tell him to go away. It probably won't happen though.
     
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    Congress should approve the Space Force... after Mexico pays for his idiotic wall; And Mars funds the Space Force....
     
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    Due to the technical and cost restraints of space travel, even orbital, I think any Space Force will take on a form more akin to the Coast Guard than the Air Force.
     
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