True enough. But the point still stands that the inferior standard won out over the better, for reasons completely unrelated to the technical merits of the standard.
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True enough. But the point still stands that the inferior standard won out over the better, for reasons completely unrelated to the technical merits of the standard.
Yep. I think that's exactly where we're going. Eventually Tesla will sell the SC system to an operator who can operate it as a profit making enterprise. Tesla can still offer special deals to buyers simply by making it part of the deal. But... Ford doesn't subsidize gas when you buy a Ford.
I think, ultimately, the charging network will be owned & controlled by the utilities.
Jlwine
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Railhawk52
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I'd be more OK with Tesla switching to another charger if they all weren't so ugly. The Tesla charger looks so much sleeker and sexier than anything else.
Did the groups making the other chargers not consider consulting some designers? Yeesh!
Did the groups making the other chargers not consider consulting some designers? Yeesh!
In US Tesla SC plug will stay anyway. But the rest of the world.
Tesla can accommodate Combo2 socket with enhanced upper part as it has on S X right now.
If CCS catches up in US too, maybe Tesla should consider optional passenger side Combo1 socket.
That will allow adapter-less CCS and J1772 connection.
Tesla can accommodate Combo2 socket with enhanced upper part as it has on S X right now.
If CCS catches up in US too, maybe Tesla should consider optional passenger side Combo1 socket.
That will allow adapter-less CCS and J1772 connection.
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I disagree the standard that best suited what people cared about won. Supercharging is what separates the Tesla from every other EV that isn't quite suitable for a long highway trip. And the next generation that will be even quicker will be that much better. If we are just looking at stats then a BMW i3 is the superior value. Or a Nissan Leaf for that matter. They will suit your needs 97% of the time, and when you need more range use another car for those few days a year. But people don't want a compromise for a car. Even 30 minutes at a supercharger isn't optimal, but it's reasonable, especially given all the time you save never visiting gas stations again.
NeverFollow
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Would it be realistic to think that the future 800 v 350 kw Superchargers will use the same plug for each car or truck maker?
The first ‘High-Power fast-charging station’ (150-350 kW) is installed by EVgo and ABB right in Tesla’s backyard
The first ‘High-Power fast-charging station’ (150-350 kW) is installed by EVgo and ABB right in Tesla’s backyard
FlyF4
Son of a MX
Interesting. Either speculation on the part of the blog writer or a trial balloon.
Tesla Model 3 could set the charging standard for electric vehicles
It's also interesting that the M3 charge port door seems larger than it is on the S.
Tesla Model 3 could set the charging standard for electric vehicles
It's also interesting that the M3 charge port door seems larger than it is on the S.
JeffK
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In all of this thread the one thing I haven't seen mentioned is automated charging... If there is a new plug, it has to work well with that.
It has also been argued tape length limitations were Betamax's undoing. It was likely a combination of third-party support, practicality and content, each feeding each other... Turns out, people were content even with crap quality as long as they could cram 8 hours of stuff on a tape...
To a lesser extent HD-DVD and Blu-ray went through a similar "war". HD-DVD still has the superior menu system, but it had smaller discs. Anyway, IMO in the end it came down to content and device support.
Is EV charging in any way a comparable story? I don't know what the parallels and comparable lessons might be, but I think third-party support might be one. Who gets the inertia on their side and few can do it alone... Then again, a dominant-enough player can - it seems - successfully maintain its propietary standard: the iPhone dock/Lightning connectors.
The Apple/lightening parallel doesn't really hold water. The lightening cable end-plug is different, but the other end of the cable still plugs into a standard USB port. And the cable itself is very cheap. That's not so with the Tesla charge cable/adapter.
I see it as inevitable that the Tesla standard will fade away. They had to persuade the wider industry to adopt their standard, and they failed at that. Now with the Bolt using a CCS Combo connector, and with all of the new upcoming EVs using CCS Combo, the game is over.
I agree, of course. This is Apple(s) and oranges.
But still, the Lightning ecosystem is formidable. One has to give "credit" where credit is due. I hate the fact that such a separate ecosystem exists, but Apple made it a successful business.
Oh no doubt. Apple has successfully pushed their proprietary standards in the face of some amazing headwinds.
FlyF4
Son of a MX
Yup, that could be. Adding to that is the fact that the Tesla Gear Shop is poorly managed. They can't seem to gauge demand on most of their products
FlatSix911
Porsche 918 Hybrid
Interesting reading ...
Most of those independent networks support different types of charging standards with SAE J1772 being the standard for level 2 charging and Combined Charging System (CCS) for DC fast-charging in North America. In Japan and Europe, the CHAdeMO charging standard for fast-charging has historically been more popular, but its future is uncertain at this point with several automakers joining the CCS standard.
Tesla has been using its own standard to support level 1, 2, and 3 on the same connector – except in Europe where it’s obligated to use the standard Mennekes plug. It is often regarded as a more simple and elegant solution. Here are all the different connectors:
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