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[Spoiler Alert + Mild Speculation] Tesla has created a monster!

Discussion in 'Model 3' started by omgwtfbyobbq, Aug 5, 2017.

  1. omgwtfbyobbq

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    #1 omgwtfbyobbq, Aug 5, 2017
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    TEG's post on the Monroney stickers for the 3 prompted me to dig around for them. Unfortunately, I came up short in that search, but I found something just as good, maybe even better.

    Long story short, Tesla built a monster with the 3! It can put down 258hp, gets 126mpge (confirmed via the picture in TEG's thread), has *roughly 78kWh of usable capacity (80.5kWh rated), and *possibly has 346 miles of city range (1.36x the Bolt's measured city range), and 316 miles of highway range (1.46x the Bolt's measured highway range)! At only $7k+ more than the Bolt, that's kinda brilliant. :eek:

    I've attached the test data with the figures from Tesla as well as the same reports for the Bolt and Ioniq. Obviously, these aren't the final figures, YMMV, and so on. But... what I'm seeing here is better than Tesla's putting out there, assuming the CSI submission is accurate.

    Last but not least, if you can stand setting the cruise control at what I'm guessing is a smidge under 50mph on an open highway, the 3 can probably go well over 400 miles for you. :D

    * I say roughly/possibly because I believe there are three other tests the EPA uses for fuel economy rating that could drag those figures down, who knows which wheels they used for the dyno settings, the production 3s that actually make it to customers might have less of the pack available for use, maybe I have a few typos in my post, other random stuff might change, and so on... YR(ange)MV/YMMV. ;)
     

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  2. omgwtfbyobbq

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    Charging efficiency looks to be around 88%.
     
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    The article says

    "Air Aspiration Method: Naturally Aspirate"

    What?? not even a turbo? :p
     
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    No, turbo.. only Supercharger :p
     
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    What I find interesting for the Model 3 is (page 6 & 7):

    Charge Depleting Highway:
    PHEV/EV TEST INFO
    Recharge Event Voltage: 208
    Charge Depleting Range (Calculated miles): 454.64
    Equivalent All Electric Range (miles): 454.64​
    Charge Depleting UDDS:
    PHEV/EV TEST INFO
    Recharge Event Voltage: 208
    Charge Depleting Range (Calculated miles): 495.11
    Equivalent All Electric Range (miles): 495.11​
     
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    Yep. This would explain why Tesla suddenly went with the "Long Range" designation for the 3.

    A Model 3 "80" would have confused customers by appearing better than the S75.
     
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    Page 3 of that report says th motor is AC 3 Phase Permanent Magnet. I don't believe the old motors were permanent magnet.
     
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    Link?
     
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    Screen Shot 2017-08-06 at 7.29.20 AM.png
     
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    I missed this. Where is the listed, or the parameters to calculate this listed? I have not read one of these before and kind of saturate because the words don't immediately mean things.
     
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    What does CSI stand for?
     
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    Nevermind. Certification Summary Information Report. I just saw that :)
    So this is an EPA form,
     
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    Presumably he calculated this from the "Recharge event energy". After running the battery to flat it to 89.4 kWh of wall energy to recharge it to full.
     
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    Is there a form for the standard range model?
     
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    Can you provide a link? Also, do you have the same document for Model S?
     
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    https://www3.epa.gov/otaq/datafiles/CSI-HTSLV00.0L13.PDF
    You might need to reload it once or twice. For some reason it never loads for me on the first get.
    It's just the ratio of Tesla's END SOC, which I'm guessing is the amount of energy available for use (I could be wrong), to the Recharge Event Energy.
    It could be, but that would mean someone submitted this to the EPA posing as Tesla somehow.
    Not that I'm aware of. Tesla only needs to submit the paperwork for the cars they're going to sell in the immediate future. The info for the standard range model will likely pop up around the time they start selling them.
     
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    Where's the battery capacity in this report?
     
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    Are there documents for Model S, Model X or Roadster?
    If they state the same, we would not it does not mean anything, on the other hand if ...
     
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    There ain't.
    There is average voltage of 351V during testing and integrated AmpHours of 222Ah.
    222 x 351 = 77,9 kWh used during the test.
     
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