justaute
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Tesla sure can. I am also allowed to form an opinion. Tesla has a different sales model, so I don't think it's apples-to-apples comparison. YMMV
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Tesla sure can. I am also allowed to form an opinion. Tesla has a different sales model, so I don't think it's apples-to-apples comparison. YMMV
Every bought a computer. If you buy every 5 years it is a lot more power and storage for a lot less money. So it will be with EVs.
justaute
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Really? That's such a mind-bending observation. Not sure anyone is talking about 5 years here. It's 2 months, for a purportedly premium product. There's really no point in debating here. Such is life.
Doesn't have to be 5 years. Apple MacBook Pros just upgraded their graphics processors 4 months after the new units were shipped.
Tesla moves at Silicon Valley paces and style. Constant improvement. I got caught with this on my Model X. The $5,000 upgrade pack became standard equipment and they raise the price $3,000. $2,000 net loss. Just the way it is. But at least my car as MCU 2.5 so supports traffic cameras. Cars made 2 months before mine do not have that hardware so no webcams, sentry mode,....
Uncle Paul
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Elon wants to sell millions of EVs every year. Wants to have a buyer for every car he can produce. That has always been his stated goal.
Henry Ford did the same thing, and He was the one that "Put the World on wheels"
As more and more people are able to afford one of his cars, fewer and fewer will want to buy legacy gassers, he will convert the world away from polluting ICE.
He is on his way to setting up 20 or so GigaFactorys, where batteries, cars and solar will be produced in his goal to get us off dangerous fuels and on to "Running on Sunshine"
It is nice to know that your next Tesla will be better and less expensive.
Henry Ford did the same thing, and He was the one that "Put the World on wheels"
As more and more people are able to afford one of his cars, fewer and fewer will want to buy legacy gassers, he will convert the world away from polluting ICE.
He is on his way to setting up 20 or so GigaFactorys, where batteries, cars and solar will be produced in his goal to get us off dangerous fuels and on to "Running on Sunshine"
It is nice to know that your next Tesla will be better and less expensive.
scherer326
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Yup mid range I paid in late December is now exactly $5k than what I paid in just a two month time span. Don’t regret at all. Still got the full tax credit so in the end, really the difference is a little over $1k.
justaute
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That's a more fair comparison. Still like my TM3, even more than my bimmer.
pipestem
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Uncle Paul
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I believe that Tesla now has 3 grades of Autopilot.
Base: Autopilot with auto steer, cruise control, basic GPS/routing and safety emergency slow down.
EAP: Like all above, plus lane changing, on/off ramps, Traffic aware cruise control, traffic alerts/congestion, quickest lane selection etc.
FSD: All the new stuff like traffic lights, traffic signals, drop you off and park, then pick you back up, full self parking and generally fully autonomous self driving (over time, with several OTA updates)
Next thing we will hear about will be the faster computer and faster V3 charging systems.
Base: Autopilot with auto steer, cruise control, basic GPS/routing and safety emergency slow down.
EAP: Like all above, plus lane changing, on/off ramps, Traffic aware cruise control, traffic alerts/congestion, quickest lane selection etc.
FSD: All the new stuff like traffic lights, traffic signals, drop you off and park, then pick you back up, full self parking and generally fully autonomous self driving (over time, with several OTA updates)
Next thing we will hear about will be the faster computer and faster V3 charging systems.
pipestem
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Same. Especially since I get that firmware update and I get the tax credit this year rather than waiting.
Also, KUDOS to Tesla for bringing this home. I don't see why the plus version was needed, the gap is not that big. Nonetheless, it shows some confidence in manufacturing.
Oh yes. When I drive my X3 it is like going back to the stone age, and we ordered every option available in 2016. Teslas are just so smooth and so fast!
The EAP offered for $5K before gave you Summon, auto-park, and NoA. The $3K Autopilot offered now does none of those things - basically it's TACC+autosteer. You need to fork over $8K to get autopilot+FSD to get them.
Dre78
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I bought my Model 3 online and it was the best car buying experience I have had (I am 61 years old and have bought quite a few new cars in my life). I tend to heavily research my car purchases in advance of going to the dealer and have generally found that the car sales people have less technical knowledge about the car than I do. I agree that it is nice to drive the car, but in this case I drove a friend's Model 3. But I especially enjoyed not having to sit in a small room for hours while the salesman goes back to the "boss" to see if he can get me a better price. Clearly traditional automakers in the US have had a very inefficient sales process for many years which was ripe for improvement and disruption.
So how do these cars get delivered without a sales location? Delivery specialists will work out of the already overcrowded service centers? It all goes to direct home delivery? That sounds more expensive, especially at end-of-quarter rush.
StealthP3D
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This is what you think when you are a dysfunctional buyer.
Tesla is far from a dysfunctional company. Unless you think creating a car as amazing as the Model 3 is as simple as taking a legacy car and installing an electric motor, some batteries and an iPad and calling it a day.
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