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Storm Watch failed us again [in MA, Late July 2021]

jjrandorin

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Thread time out. Will unlock later (24 hour time out). When I do unlock it, hopefully it can get back to making suggestions that might be able to be enacted. "I should be able to charge from the grid during any weather event I choose" is not one that is going to be enacted by tesla.

I should clarify (since it was was asked of me) that I dont have any issue with the complaint that @Skip Whiffle has, and I also agree that we all wish / hope that stormwatch operated in a different way. I just want to get the discussion focused on how that might look like or work vs where it is now.

EDIT: I decided 24 hours was "much much" too long so going to try unlocking this now.

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On a side note @Skip Whiffle, I can imagine that what you experienced would be extremely frustrating. I specifically micro manage my own reserve levels to ensure I specifically dont have to go through what you went through. Spending all this money on this stuff and still having power outages has to be super frustraing.

Hopefully at some point tesla can get more granular with the activation of stormwatch mode. Stormwatch mode is basically skirting the "system charges from solar only" stipulations, so it has always appeared to me that tesla has been pretty conservative with allowing its activation. One side effect of that is what you experienced. We all wish it worked better.

Until or unless that happens, the only option you currently have is to, when hearing any possible upcoming weather, raise your reserve (and understand that that may reduce effectiveness of peak pricing arbitrage etc). "Working as currently designed" doesnt necessarily mean the way its designed works.

That seems to be the root of the previous 2 pages of thread discussion, with "working as designed" being taken to mean "how its designed, works". For some people, how its designed absolutely doesnt work, even if its working as its currently designed.
 
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sunwarriors

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Maybe it's because I'm new and I watch my generation/weather daily right now, but I think as great as AI/Stormwatch or anything advertised is, nothing really works as great normally for 1 person's individual case IMO.

I think for me moving forward, if it's a massive once in a decade storm (and no sun for a few days), I'm probably going to go very high reserve since at the end of the day, we all spent a lot of $$ for that once in a year (a few times a year in PG&E land) power outage to see our $$ "well spent". No point in exporting if something big is coming.

For me at least, I over-generate anyways and getting back $0.03 for excess is like $0 so for those cases where a massive storm is coming, just don't use the PW/batteries and raise the reserve. The good things for storms is at least, we know they are coming a lot of times.

Yes, I agree it should all work like magic and just work, but I joke/state that if things worked that way, none of us would have jobs since the AI/robots can replace all of us in whatever we do. A lot of the storage tech/workings is also 'new'. Maybe in the future, it will be smarter, but I think we all agree Stormwatch and what triggers it doesn't work that good so far.
 
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holeydonut

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Maybe it's because I'm new and I watch my generation/weather daily right now, but I think as great as AI/Stormwatch or anything advertised is, nothing really works as great normally for 1 person's individual case IMO.

I think for me moving forward, if it's a massive once in a decade storm (and no sun for a few days), I'm probably going to go very high reserve since at the end of the day, we all spent a lot of $$ for that once in a year (a few times a year in PG&E land) power outage to see our $$ "well spent". No point in exporting if something big is coming.

For me at least, I over-generate anyways and getting back $0.03 for excess is like $0 so for those cases where a massive storm is coming, just don't use the PW/batteries and raise the reserve. The good things for storms is at least, we know they are coming a lot of times.

Yes, I agree it should all work like magic and just work, but I joke/state that if things worked that way, none of us would have jobs since the AI/robots can replace all of us in whatever we do. A lot of the storage tech/workings is also 'new'. Maybe in the future, it will be smarter, but I think we all agree Stormwatch and what triggers it doesn't work that good so far.


Haha yeah I feel like just a few years ago, people would make small talk by saying "how about that weather." But lately weather (and related fires) is taking center stage all too often. I think there's a challenge in predicting the weather though. For example, this recent West Coast "atmospheric river" thing just came out of nowhere. And prior to this week, I thought a Nor'Easter was like Haboob. It was a thing... but not extreme that would wipe out the grid.

A couple weeks ago I finally got the $ scraped together to have a roofer install some gutter guards, re-route some downspouts, re-do all the stinkhole vents, replace some broken tiles, replace flashing, seal some chimney caps, etc. When I was getting the quote/contract he was like "you have to be the only person in California worrying about rain maintenance right now."

Literally the day after his crew completes everything, suddenly it's overcast and we're getting flood watch forecast alerts. Like WTF. By then, I wasn't generating enough solar to refill my Powerwalls even if I tried to set the reserve to 100%.

If there's anything I've learned in the last few months, is to ignore the Tesla Storm Watch and just bump up the reserve %. I think that thread we had about the NorCal reserve setting was very enlightening. But I also understand folks on TMC are far from the average homeowner. I think there are a lot of people out there expecting Storm Watch to be some resiliency silver bullet since it's touted so aggressively by installers as a way to ensure the batteries are always full when bad weather is on the horizon.

If 1 inch of water can take out the grid, imagine what a quake will do. Storm Watch can't help there. Maybe we should all set our reserves to 100% lololol.
 
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sunwarriors

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Haha yeah I feel like just a few years ago, people would make small talk by saying "how about that weather." But lately weather (and related fires) is taking center stage all too often. I think there's a challenge in predicting the weather though. For example, this recent West Coast "atmospheric river" thing just came out of nowhere. And prior to this week, I thought a Nor'Easter was like Haboob. It was a thing... but not extreme that would wipe out the grid.

A couple weeks ago I finally got the $ scraped together to have a roofer install some gutter guards, re-route some downspouts, re-do all the stinkhole vents, replace some broken tiles, replace flashing, seal some chimney caps, etc. When I was getting the quote/contract he was like "you have to be the only person in California worrying about rain maintenance right now."

Literally the day after his crew completes everything, suddenly it's overcast and we're getting flood watch forecast alerts. Like WTF. By then, I wasn't generating enough solar to refill my Powerwalls even if I tried to set the reserve to 100%.

If there's anything I've learned in the last few months, is to ignore the Tesla Storm Watch and just bump up the reserve %. I think that thread we had about the NorCal reserve setting was very enlightening. But I also understand folks on TMC are far from the average homeowner. I think there are a lot of people out there expecting Storm Watch to be some resiliency silver bullet since it's touted so aggressively by installers as a way to ensure the batteries are always full when bad weather is on the horizon.

If 1 inch of water can take out the grid, imagine what a quake will do. Storm Watch can't help there. Maybe we should all set our reserves to 100% lololol.

Haha, yeah. Our power grid is actually extremely stable in San Diego. I think nearly all recent outages has been human errors and maybe we had 1 affecting me (rolling blackouts) in my recent memory. I'm sorta protecting against the 'unknown' thing that seems to be occurring literally a few times a year now (Texas freeze, Bomb Cyclone, east coast had multiple floods and this rain event, etc...). Texas was just this year so like stock market/housing crashes, I think the next event will be something not many predicted.

As for reserves, I'm of the mind that as long as it's very sunny tomorrow, I'm ok with lower reserves since I tend to recharge the batteries around noon. It's that rain/cloudy over the next week which has me pause. I had very little generation on Monday of this week so raised my reserve to 50%.
 

Fruitcake

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We have a massive thunderstorm coming through Massachusetts right now, and no Storm Watch event was declared. I have my PW set as 100% backup, but we're also part of Connected Solutions (Tesla Virtual Power Plant), and we output 72% of our 2 PW back out to the grid this afternoon.

And just 15 minutes into the beginning of the nearby lightening, we lost power, with just 28% on the PW.

With no way to force the PW to recharge from the grid (unless Tesla declares a Storm Watch event), I may need to cancel our participation in Tesla VPP. This will defeat the purpose of having the PWs.
Storm Watch sucks. It works when you could care less, and DOESNT'T work when the winds are lashing the trees outside and the rain in pouring down in buckets.

A useless feature, from useless people.

Fruitcake
 

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