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Story Time! Day 3 Experience Of a New FSD Beta Tester.

This is a long read, but I wanted to share with people who can know and understand my experience.

I’ll preface this with info about my typical commute. I drive a 2022 MYP (Dec ’21), with 24,000 miles on it. I live in Capitola, CA and drive everywhere between San Jose and Sacramento daily, stopping at 3-5 locations scattered between San Jose and Sacramento that change every day. I average about 150-340 miles a day, 6 days a week. Doing around 4,500 miles a month. Every day starts with driving Hwy-17 to San Jose to Supercharge for my day, and ends on Hwy-17 back to Capitola. This is a map of my drives over the last 3 months.

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Before I got the beta, and was in safety score purgatory for 23,000 miles with a 100 score since opting in 1/4/22, I LOVED reading about testers successes and failures. This stuff is exciting. It was well worth the wait. Today was MY turn to test it in real world commute situations. Long time beta testers might not remember that feeling...

I’ve did the basic tests, such as purposefully finding difficult large intersections, unprotected left turns, busy stop sign intersections, and yeah, it has its issues… It hesitates too much which makes me press the accelerator 90% of the time because I don’t want to impede traffic, the wheel gets jerky quite often, etc… You know, the usual stuff we all know or expected..

Personally, I don’t see those edge cases being as important as every day use, commuting cases. Full Self Driving despite its name is not 100% autonomous, not SAE Lvl 5, and it’s not supposed to be. You’re supposed to let it drive the majority of the time in your everyday life, and take over in situations where you know it might struggle. If you have to drive manually 5% of the time, thats a success! And over time, you should remember where those times are, and just disengage before that intersection, make the turn, and re-engage. You did your job, and the car did its job. Those are my beliefs at least…

So today, I had 3 great experiences, that maybe someone out there will enjoy reading, like I did!

Morning commute:

Tourists are idiots. If you live in the Bay Area and have ever driven to Santa Cruz, you know Hwy-17. Its windy mountain roads at 60MPH. There’s a crash on it MULTIPLE times a day, which leads to hellish traffic, because there are only a couple ways around it. If youre too far along going either direction, and you hit traffic, congratulations! You just added an hour to your drive, and there's no way around it.

Another fun fact. Despite hwy17 being a 4 lane highway with a speed limit of 50MPH, NoA doesnt kick on for 90% of it. So FSD Beta gets to drive the whole thing for me, when before it was just normal AP.

I got lucky and my wonderful car “Dhalgren,” rerouted me around completely stopped traffic because I hadn’t gone to far yet.


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No one else had realized how screwed they were yet thankfully, but my car did, and it ended up taking the exit on it’s own, and thats when I disengaged FSD. It was only me, and an Audi RS8 ahead of me for the entire detour. Let me tell you… Not worrying about my safety score was fracking invigorating. I got to drive my car like a performance vehicle instead of a Prius for the first time in 5 months. The Audi and I FLEW around corners, going well above the speed limit on narrow, banked curves, and blind corners. It was amazing. The most fun I’ve had driving in a LOOOOONG time. I had to call my girlfriend and tell her about it after because I was so excited.

Mid Day Between Jobs - Downtown Berkeley to Downtown Milpitas:

I started FSD in the Berkeley parking lot, and ended in a parking lot in Milpitas with zero disengagements. There was about 3 miles of city streets before getting on the freeway (NoA stack) for 43 miles, and about 2 miles of city streets to the Milpitas parking lot. 47 miles in total. All I did was give it a nudge with the accelerator a few times because I like to actually move when the light turns green… Other than that, it handled everything truly flawlessly, and the only time I disengaged was when I saw a parking spot I wanted at the end.

THAT is a real world example of FSD doing its job. Point A to point B. Not “Looking for edge cases.” Edge cases can always be found if you're looking.

End of the day - Cupertino Supercharger to Capitola via HWY-17:

This drive always sucks after 4PM because HWY-1 (or PCH, or The 1… whatever you wanna call it) ALWAYS has stop and go traffic from 4pm to 6pm between Santa Cruz and Capitola. Its 30 minutes to go 7 miles. When there’s zero traffic, San Jose to Capitola takes 35 minutes.

So Dhalgren rerouted me to take Summit Dr, which is this really awesome 2 lane road through the mountains, that takes about 45 minutes, compared the the hour it would take if I took just the 17 and the 1.

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THIS is a challenge, and an edge case. It doesnt show well on the map, but its WINDY. Production AP slows to 15-20MPH for most of the curves, which are constant, despite the speed limit being 40. Every turn has yellow speed suggestion signs of 25mph or 30mph. Every turn is a blind turn, there’s no shoulder on either side for the majority of it, and its about 15 miles long.

FSD took EVERY, SINGLE, TURN at the speed limit, or 10mph over. Never crossed over the yellow line, never braked harshly, and was a Fracking dream. It was like riding a rollercoaster. My hands were hovering a centimeter over the wheel, and my foot on the brake pedal ready to take over the entire time. Dhalgren FLEW, and did it brilliantly.

This to me was the real “Holy Sh*t… FSD really is almost here…” moment.

Thoughts:

Despite all the complaints, all the people who call it “vaporware,” and all the people who have no faith in Elon, FSD IS almost there.

Even though I was waiting patiently to get into the beta, I was shocked at how big of a new batch of testers they were adding. And people with a 93 score got in!? With like 150 miles since opting in!? I truly thought that was a TERRIBLE idea… all it takes is a couple stupid people getting in accidents to pump the brakes on the entire concept of FSD being accepted by the public. But now, I truly believe this version was a good version to spread more widely, to get more and more data from. It’s not perfect, it keeps you on your toes, but it is doing a great job.

I’m not saying its ready for the public. Not by a long shot. I wouldn’t want someone who just bought and picked up their brand new Tesla to get in, peel off the screen protector, and engage FSD with no respect for what they are getting themselves into. It really takes understanding what you car can AND CANT do in the state it is… If they require EVERY single person to drive 1000 miles minimum of using regular AP/NoA before being able to engage FSD, I’d be really happy.

Bottom line is, I couldn’t be happier to finally be a part of the Beta crew, and get to contribute what I can to the process. This is a step forward that only people who own and regularly drive a Tesla can understand. It will get better. We will get there.

If you actually read this whole thing, thank you. Just wanted to share my thoughts and experience today. It was truly eye opening.

Thank you for coming to my TED talk.
 
Great write up.
FWIW I am also a fsdb tester and routinely drive SJ-Soquel road between the summit and La Selva Beach. V12.2.2 is much improved over past versions. I recognize that it’s not perfect yet, but marching in the right direction.
It still gets a bit confused on what lane to use on Porter St. between just north of Soquel avenue and Hwy 1, in both directions. Have you experienced that?
 

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Long time beta testers might not remember that feeling...

I remember 10.2. The car was so jerky it felt like it was going to break something, or wear something out prematurely. It was very cool to watch the car make turns on its own, but that was tempered by how poorly it performed those turns.

More recently, when I take people for rides, and I show them FSDb driving, they are all amazed, even when the car does something ungracefully. It's definitely improved quite a bit since 10.2. We sometimes don't feel much difference from point version to point version. But in aggregate, we're still moving in the right direction.
 
Great write up.
FWIW I am also a fsdb tester and routinely drive SJ-Soquel road between the summit and La Selva Beach. V12.2.2 is much improved over past versions. I recognize that it’s not perfect yet, but marching in the right direction.
It still gets a bit confused on what lane to use on Porter St. between just north of Soquel avenue and Hwy 1, in both directions. Have you experienced that?
Hey fellow Capitola area person! Keep in mind this is my first version of beta, but I was shocked coming south at porter/soquel when it knew that the road splits, so keep right, then that lane you’re in splits and to keep left to go straight. It did it flawless for me.

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Damn it’s hard to draw these situations, but here’s what I mean. This is facing south on porter and turns are on soquel. The left turn people usually back up to the single lane, so you have to split, then get back over. It did it like I would have. Did prior versions struggle there?

I’m going north today on it instead of hwy17 because I had so much fun yesterday, I’ll let you know how it goes!
 
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I remember 10.2. The car was so jerky it felt like it was going to break something, or wear something out prematurely. It was very cool to watch the car make turns on its own, but that was tempered by how poorly it performed those turns.

More recently, when I take people for rides, and I show them FSDb driving, they are all amazed, even when the car does something ungracefully. It's definitely improved quite a bit since 10.2. We sometimes don't feel much difference from point version to point version. But in aggregate, we're still moving in the right direction.
I bet! I’ve shown it to 4 people now, and when it makes mistakes, they’ve all laughed and understood. The positives outweigh the screwups. With the “not remembering” feeling, I was talking about the enjoyment of reading about beta as you’re working towards getting it yourself lol. But I agree totally.
 
This is a long read, but I wanted to share with people who can know and understand my experience.

I’ll preface this with info about my typical commute. I drive a 2022 MYP (Dec ’21), with 24,000 miles on it. I live in Capitola, CA and drive everywhere between San Jose and Sacramento daily, stopping at 3-5 locations scattered between San Jose and Sacramento that change every day. I average about 150-340 miles a day, 6 days a week. Doing around 4,500 miles a month. Every day starts with driving Hwy-17 to San Jose to Supercharge for my day, and ends on Hwy-17 back to Capitola. This is a map of my drives over the last 3 months.


Before I got the beta, and was in safety score purgatory for 23,000 miles with a 100 score since opting in 1/4/22, I LOVED reading about testers successes and failures. This stuff is exciting. It was well worth the wait. Today was MY turn to test it in real world commute situations. Long time beta testers might not remember that feeling...

I’ve did the basic tests, such as purposefully finding difficult large intersections, unprotected left turns, busy stop sign intersections, and yeah, it has its issues… It hesitates too much which makes me press the accelerator 90% of the time because I don’t want to impede traffic, the wheel gets jerky quite often, etc… You know, the usual stuff we all know or expected..

Personally, I don’t see those edge cases being as important as every day use, commuting cases. Full Self Driving despite its name is not 100% autonomous, not SAE Lvl 5, and it’s not supposed to be. You’re supposed to let it drive the majority of the time in your everyday life, and take over in situations where you know it might struggle. If you have to drive manually 5% of the time, thats a success! And over time, you should remember where those times are, and just disengage before that intersection, make the turn, and re-engage. You did your job, and the car did its job. Those are my beliefs at least…

So today, I had 3 great experiences, that maybe someone out there will enjoy reading, like I did!

Morning commute:

Tourists are idiots. If you live in the Bay Area and have ever driven to Santa Cruz, you know Hwy-17. Its windy mountain roads at 60MPH. There’s a crash on it MULTIPLE times a day, which leads to hellish traffic, because there are only a couple ways around it. If youre too far along going either direction, and you hit traffic, congratulations! You just added an hour to your drive, and there's no way around it.

Another fun fact. Despite hwy17 being a 4 lane highway with a speed limit of 50MPH, NoA doesnt kick on for 90% of it. So FSD Beta gets to drive the whole thing for me, when before it was just normal AP.

I got lucky and my wonderful car “Dhalgren,” rerouted me around completely stopped traffic because I hadn’t gone to far yet.




No one else had realized how screwed they were yet thankfully, but my car did, and it ended up taking the exit on it’s own, and thats when I disengaged FSD. It was only me, and an Audi RS8 ahead of me for the entire detour. Let me tell you… Not worrying about my safety score was fracking invigorating. I got to drive my car like a performance vehicle instead of a Prius for the first time in 5 months. The Audi and I FLEW around corners, going well above the speed limit on narrow, banked curves, and blind corners. It was amazing. The most fun I’ve had driving in a LOOOOONG time. I had to call my girlfriend and tell her about it after because I was so excited.

Mid Day Between Jobs - Downtown Berkeley to Downtown Milpitas:

I started FSD in the Berkeley parking lot, and ended in a parking lot in Milpitas with zero disengagements. There was about 3 miles of city streets before getting on the freeway (NoA stack) for 43 miles, and about 2 miles of city streets to the Milpitas parking lot. 47 miles in total. All I did was give it a nudge with the accelerator a few times because I like to actually move when the light turns green… Other than that, it handled everything truly flawlessly, and the only time I disengaged was when I saw a parking spot I wanted at the end.

THAT is a real world example of FSD doing its job. Point A to point B. Not “Looking for edge cases.” Edge cases can always be found if you're looking.

End of the day - Cupertino Supercharger to Capitola via HWY-17:

This drive always sucks after 4PM because HWY-1 (or PCH, or The 1… whatever you wanna call it) ALWAYS has stop and go traffic from 4pm to 6pm between Santa Cruz and Capitola. Its 30 minutes to go 7 miles. When there’s zero traffic, San Jose to Capitola takes 35 minutes.

So Dhalgren rerouted me to take Summit Dr, which is this really awesome 2 lane road through the mountains, that takes about 45 minutes, compared the the hour it would take if I took just the 17 and the 1.

View attachment 814003

THIS is a challenge, and an edge case. It doesnt show well on the map, but its WINDY. Production AP slows to 15-20MPH for most of the curves, which are constant, despite the speed limit being 40. Every turn has yellow speed suggestion signs of 25mph or 30mph. Every turn is a blind turn, there’s no shoulder on either side for the majority of it, and its about 15 miles long.

FSD took EVERY, SINGLE, TURN at the speed limit, or 10mph over. Never crossed over the yellow line, never braked harshly, and was a Fracking dream. It was like riding a rollercoaster. My hands were hovering a centimeter over the wheel, and my foot on the brake pedal ready to take over the entire time. Dhalgren FLEW, and did it brilliantly.

This to me was the real “Holy Sh*t… FSD really is almost here…” moment.

Thoughts:

Despite all the complaints, all the people who call it “vaporware,” and all the people who have no faith in Elon, FSD IS almost there.

Even though I was waiting patiently to get into the beta, I was shocked at how big of a new batch of testers they were adding. And people with a 93 score got in!? With like 150 miles since opting in!? I truly thought that was a TERRIBLE idea… all it takes is a couple stupid people getting in accidents to pump the brakes on the entire concept of FSD being accepted by the public. But now, I truly believe this version was a good version to spread more widely, to get more and more data from. It’s not perfect, it keeps you on your toes, but it is doing a great job.

I’m not saying its ready for the public. Not by a long shot. I wouldn’t want someone who just bought and picked up their brand new Tesla to get in, peel off the screen protector, and engage FSD with no respect for what they are getting themselves into. It really takes understanding what you car can AND CANT do in the state it is… If they require EVERY single person to drive 1000 miles minimum of using regular AP/NoA before being able to engage FSD, I’d be really happy.

Bottom line is, I couldn’t be happier to finally be a part of the Beta crew, and get to contribute what I can to the process. This is a step forward that only people who own and regularly drive a Tesla can understand. It will get better. We will get there.

If you actually read this whole thing, thank you. Just wanted to share my thoughts and experience today. It was truly eye opening.

Thank you for coming to my TED talk.
Fantastic writeup. and reflects my own experience on the FSD Beta- and my sentiments- exactly.

Thanks for posting.
 
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Thoughts:

Despite all the complaints, all the people who call it “vaporware,” and all the people who have no faith in Elon, FSD IS almost there.

Even though I was waiting patiently to get into the beta, I was shocked at how big of a new batch of testers they were adding. And people with a 93 score got in!? With like 150 miles since opting in!? I truly thought that was a TERRIBLE idea… all it takes is a couple stupid people getting in accidents to pump the brakes on the entire concept of FSD being accepted by the public. But now, I truly believe this version was a good version to spread more widely, to get more and more data from. It’s not perfect, it keeps you on your toes, but it is doing a great job.

I’m not saying its ready for the public. Not by a long shot. I wouldn’t want someone who just bought and picked up their brand new Tesla to get in, peel off the screen protector, and engage FSD with no respect for what they are getting themselves into. It really takes understanding what you car can AND CANT do in the state it is… If they require EVERY single person to drive 1000 miles minimum of using regular AP/NoA before being able to engage FSD, I’d be really happy.

Bottom line is, I couldn’t be happier to finally be a part of the Beta crew, and get to contribute what I can to the process. This is a step forward that only people who own and regularly drive a Tesla can understand. It will get better. We will get there.

If you actually read this whole thing, thank you. Just wanted to share my thoughts and experience today. It was truly eye opening.

Thank you for coming to my TED talk.
I'm glad you're seemingly having decent drives. In the few days I've been driving with Beta, so far my M3LR has almost moved me into oncoming traffic, one at a stop sign with incoming traffic from the right (a parking lot onto a 4-lane divided road with 2 lanes each direction) and one on an unprotected left (a joined 2 lane road, one lane per direction). I've reported the former but was showing beta off to a friend on the latter and forgot to hit the record button. I could probably talk him into buying his own Tesla if he wasn't such a cheap a$$! Consequentially, I'm at my highest level of alertness when approaching turns. I've also had a fairly sharp turn in a 25mph zone that probably should be taken at 15, but beta lane changes into the middle "turn" lane while cornering. It's also obnoxiously slow with flashing yellow lights in the morning commute. I'm not calling it "vaporware". Far from it. My morning commute is mostly a straight drive, but it's so it's night and day between how well it handles some of the oddities of the drive such as poorly marked on and off ramps and traffic signals for detached left turn lanes, compared to basic Autopilot.

I agree with the "93 and 150 miles" bit. While I don't have nearly as much miles under my belt as you, I've been enrolled in safety score for a couple months and had a 99-100 (was 100 for quite a while but someone jumped out in the parking lot and FCW'ed me down to 99). It's fairly simple to get those scores if you let the car do most of the driving, which I think is part of the reason behind safety score "hell". It kind of felt dirty, the idea of people "resetting" their score just from one bad drive. At the time, new beta drivers hadn't been added in a while, so it was quite easy to get a month in of decent driving. As mentioned, I had a FCW one day and it only knocked my overall score down a point. I hope all those 93-and-150-miles or bad-score-so-I-reset-it folks are adequately prepared for the behaviors that come with the car driving itself.
 
This is a long read, but I wanted to share with people who can know and understand my experience.

I’ll preface this with info about my typical commute. I drive a 2022 MYP (Dec ’21), with 24,000 miles on it. I live in Capitola, CA and drive everywhere between San Jose and Sacramento daily, stopping at 3-5 locations scattered between San Jose and Sacramento that change every day. I average about 150-340 miles a day, 6 days a week. Doing around 4,500 miles a month. Every day starts with driving Hwy-17 to San Jose to Supercharge for my day, and ends on Hwy-17 back to Capitola. This is a map of my drives over the last 3 months.


Before I got the beta, and was in safety score purgatory for 23,000 miles with a 100 score since opting in 1/4/22, I LOVED reading about testers successes and failures. This stuff is exciting. It was well worth the wait. Today was MY turn to test it in real world commute situations. Long time beta testers might not remember that feeling...

I’ve did the basic tests, such as purposefully finding difficult large intersections, unprotected left turns, busy stop sign intersections, and yeah, it has its issues… It hesitates too much which makes me press the accelerator 90% of the time because I don’t want to impede traffic, the wheel gets jerky quite often, etc… You know, the usual stuff we all know or expected..

Personally, I don’t see those edge cases being as important as every day use, commuting cases. Full Self Driving despite its name is not 100% autonomous, not SAE Lvl 5, and it’s not supposed to be. You’re supposed to let it drive the majority of the time in your everyday life, and take over in situations where you know it might struggle. If you have to drive manually 5% of the time, thats a success! And over time, you should remember where those times are, and just disengage before that intersection, make the turn, and re-engage. You did your job, and the car did its job. Those are my beliefs at least…

So today, I had 3 great experiences, that maybe someone out there will enjoy reading, like I did!

Morning commute:

Tourists are idiots. If you live in the Bay Area and have ever driven to Santa Cruz, you know Hwy-17. Its windy mountain roads at 60MPH. There’s a crash on it MULTIPLE times a day, which leads to hellish traffic, because there are only a couple ways around it. If youre too far along going either direction, and you hit traffic, congratulations! You just added an hour to your drive, and there's no way around it.

Another fun fact. Despite hwy17 being a 4 lane highway with a speed limit of 50MPH, NoA doesnt kick on for 90% of it. So FSD Beta gets to drive the whole thing for me, when before it was just normal AP.

I got lucky and my wonderful car “Dhalgren,” rerouted me around completely stopped traffic because I hadn’t gone to far yet.




No one else had realized how screwed they were yet thankfully, but my car did, and it ended up taking the exit on it’s own, and thats when I disengaged FSD. It was only me, and an Audi RS8 ahead of me for the entire detour. Let me tell you… Not worrying about my safety score was fracking invigorating. I got to drive my car like a performance vehicle instead of a Prius for the first time in 5 months. The Audi and I FLEW around corners, going well above the speed limit on narrow, banked curves, and blind corners. It was amazing. The most fun I’ve had driving in a LOOOOONG time. I had to call my girlfriend and tell her about it after because I was so excited.

Mid Day Between Jobs - Downtown Berkeley to Downtown Milpitas:

I started FSD in the Berkeley parking lot, and ended in a parking lot in Milpitas with zero disengagements. There was about 3 miles of city streets before getting on the freeway (NoA stack) for 43 miles, and about 2 miles of city streets to the Milpitas parking lot. 47 miles in total. All I did was give it a nudge with the accelerator a few times because I like to actually move when the light turns green… Other than that, it handled everything truly flawlessly, and the only time I disengaged was when I saw a parking spot I wanted at the end.

THAT is a real world example of FSD doing its job. Point A to point B. Not “Looking for edge cases.” Edge cases can always be found if you're looking.

End of the day - Cupertino Supercharger to Capitola via HWY-17:

This drive always sucks after 4PM because HWY-1 (or PCH, or The 1… whatever you wanna call it) ALWAYS has stop and go traffic from 4pm to 6pm between Santa Cruz and Capitola. Its 30 minutes to go 7 miles. When there’s zero traffic, San Jose to Capitola takes 35 minutes.

So Dhalgren rerouted me to take Summit Dr, which is this really awesome 2 lane road through the mountains, that takes about 45 minutes, compared the the hour it would take if I took just the 17 and the 1.

View attachment 814003

THIS is a challenge, and an edge case. It doesnt show well on the map, but its WINDY. Production AP slows to 15-20MPH for most of the curves, which are constant, despite the speed limit being 40. Every turn has yellow speed suggestion signs of 25mph or 30mph. Every turn is a blind turn, there’s no shoulder on either side for the majority of it, and its about 15 miles long.

FSD took EVERY, SINGLE, TURN at the speed limit, or 10mph over. Never crossed over the yellow line, never braked harshly, and was a Fracking dream. It was like riding a rollercoaster. My hands were hovering a centimeter over the wheel, and my foot on the brake pedal ready to take over the entire time. Dhalgren FLEW, and did it brilliantly.

This to me was the real “Holy Sh*t… FSD really is almost here…” moment.

Thoughts:

Despite all the complaints, all the people who call it “vaporware,” and all the people who have no faith in Elon, FSD IS almost there.

Even though I was waiting patiently to get into the beta, I was shocked at how big of a new batch of testers they were adding. And people with a 93 score got in!? With like 150 miles since opting in!? I truly thought that was a TERRIBLE idea… all it takes is a couple stupid people getting in accidents to pump the brakes on the entire concept of FSD being accepted by the public. But now, I truly believe this version was a good version to spread more widely, to get more and more data from. It’s not perfect, it keeps you on your toes, but it is doing a great job.

I’m not saying its ready for the public. Not by a long shot. I wouldn’t want someone who just bought and picked up their brand new Tesla to get in, peel off the screen protector, and engage FSD with no respect for what they are getting themselves into. It really takes understanding what you car can AND CANT do in the state it is… If they require EVERY single person to drive 1000 miles minimum of using regular AP/NoA before being able to engage FSD, I’d be really happy.

Bottom line is, I couldn’t be happier to finally be a part of the Beta crew, and get to contribute what I can to the process. This is a step forward that only people who own and regularly drive a Tesla can understand. It will get better. We will get there.

If you actually read this whole thing, thank you. Just wanted to share my thoughts and experience today. It was truly eye opening.

Thank you for coming to my TED talk.
Nice post! Little known “fact”, but you probably did not need to stay opted into the beta to try and keep your score up. I was only opted in for 3 weeks about 3 months ago and opted out with a 100 on my Safety Score. Got the beta last Friday.
 

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When you say this

“THIS is a challenge, and an edge case. It doesnt show well on the map, but its WINDY. Production AP slows to 15-20MPH for most of the curves, which are constant, despite the speed limit being 40. Every turn has yellow speed suggestion signs of 25mph or 30mph. Every turn is a blind turn, there’s no shoulder on either side for the majority of it, and its about 15 miles long.

FSD took EVERY, SINGLE, TURN at the speed limit, or 10mph over. Never crossed over the yellow line, never braked harshly, and was a Fracking dream. It was like riding a rollercoaster. My hands were hovering a centimeter over the wheel, and my foot on the brake pedal ready to take over the entire time. Dhalgren FLEW, and did it brilliantly.”

do you mean that FSDB was going nearly 50 MPH on this route, or going ~ 10mph above the ‘suggested’ yellow curve speed? If the former, i doubt it, if the latter - I’ve never seen it before.
 
When you say this

“THIS is a challenge, and an edge case. It doesnt show well on the map, but its WINDY. Production AP slows to 15-20MPH for most of the curves, which are constant, despite the speed limit being 40. Every turn has yellow speed suggestion signs of 25mph or 30mph. Every turn is a blind turn, there’s no shoulder on either side for the majority of it, and its about 15 miles long.

FSD took EVERY, SINGLE, TURN at the speed limit, or 10mph over. Never crossed over the yellow line, never braked harshly, and was a Fracking dream. It was like riding a rollercoaster. My hands were hovering a centimeter over the wheel, and my foot on the brake pedal ready to take over the entire time. Dhalgren FLEW, and did it brilliantly.”

do you mean that FSDB was going nearly 50 MPH on this route, or going ~ 10mph above the ‘suggested’ yellow curve speed? If the former, i doubt it, if the latter - I’ve never seen it before.
I have my speed set for 10 above. It went 50mph 90% if the time. Slowed to the white signs speed limit of 40 for probably 10% of the turns.

I did it again yesterday with my girlfriend and dog. Not really important that you believe me, I’m just stating my experience. I expect people to cal bull in these forums.
 

tivoboy

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I have my speed set for 10 above. It went 50mph 90% if the time. Slowed to the white signs speed limit of 40 for probably 10% of the turns.

I did it again yesterday with my girlfriend and dog. Not really important that you believe me, I’m just stating my experience. I expect people to cal bull in these forums.
No worries, I‘m out there next weekend and plan to give it a try. Not really sure why it would perform this way there and not around here, or kings mt. Or other places similar.
 
No worries, I‘m out there next weekend and plan to give it a try. Not really sure why it would perform this way there and not around here, or kings mt. Or other places similar.
Downhill both times it maintained 5mph or more over speed limit. Uphill I only did yesterday, and for some reason, it was about 5mph slower than downhill. Still never went below white speed limit sign going uphill from porter/soquel. Would be interesting to see it repeated.
 
This is a long read, but I wanted to share with people who can know and understand my experience.

I’ll preface this with info about my typical commute. I drive a 2022 MYP (Dec ’21), with 24,000 miles on it. I live in Capitola, CA and drive everywhere between San Jose and Sacramento daily, stopping at 3-5 locations scattered between San Jose and Sacramento that change every day. I average about 150-340 miles a day, 6 days a week. Doing around 4,500 miles a month. Every day starts with driving Hwy-17 to San Jose to Supercharge for my day, and ends on Hwy-17 back to Capitola. This is a map of my drives over the last 3 months.


Before I got the beta, and was in safety score purgatory for 23,000 miles with a 100 score since opting in 1/4/22, I LOVED reading about testers successes and failures. This stuff is exciting. It was well worth the wait. Today was MY turn to test it in real world commute situations. Long time beta testers might not remember that feeling...

I’ve did the basic tests, such as purposefully finding difficult large intersections, unprotected left turns, busy stop sign intersections, and yeah, it has its issues… It hesitates too much which makes me press the accelerator 90% of the time because I don’t want to impede traffic, the wheel gets jerky quite often, etc… You know, the usual stuff we all know or expected..

Personally, I don’t see those edge cases being as important as every day use, commuting cases. Full Self Driving despite its name is not 100% autonomous, not SAE Lvl 5, and it’s not supposed to be. You’re supposed to let it drive the majority of the time in your everyday life, and take over in situations where you know it might struggle. If you have to drive manually 5% of the time, thats a success! And over time, you should remember where those times are, and just disengage before that intersection, make the turn, and re-engage. You did your job, and the car did its job. Those are my beliefs at least…

So today, I had 3 great experiences, that maybe someone out there will enjoy reading, like I did!

Morning commute:

Tourists are idiots. If you live in the Bay Area and have ever driven to Santa Cruz, you know Hwy-17. Its windy mountain roads at 60MPH. There’s a crash on it MULTIPLE times a day, which leads to hellish traffic, because there are only a couple ways around it. If youre too far along going either direction, and you hit traffic, congratulations! You just added an hour to your drive, and there's no way around it.

Another fun fact. Despite hwy17 being a 4 lane highway with a speed limit of 50MPH, NoA doesnt kick on for 90% of it. So FSD Beta gets to drive the whole thing for me, when before it was just normal AP.

I got lucky and my wonderful car “Dhalgren,” rerouted me around completely stopped traffic because I hadn’t gone to far yet.




No one else had realized how screwed they were yet thankfully, but my car did, and it ended up taking the exit on it’s own, and thats when I disengaged FSD. It was only me, and an Audi RS8 ahead of me for the entire detour. Let me tell you… Not worrying about my safety score was fracking invigorating. I got to drive my car like a performance vehicle instead of a Prius for the first time in 5 months. The Audi and I FLEW around corners, going well above the speed limit on narrow, banked curves, and blind corners. It was amazing. The most fun I’ve had driving in a LOOOOONG time. I had to call my girlfriend and tell her about it after because I was so excited.

Mid Day Between Jobs - Downtown Berkeley to Downtown Milpitas:

I started FSD in the Berkeley parking lot, and ended in a parking lot in Milpitas with zero disengagements. There was about 3 miles of city streets before getting on the freeway (NoA stack) for 43 miles, and about 2 miles of city streets to the Milpitas parking lot. 47 miles in total. All I did was give it a nudge with the accelerator a few times because I like to actually move when the light turns green… Other than that, it handled everything truly flawlessly, and the only time I disengaged was when I saw a parking spot I wanted at the end.

THAT is a real world example of FSD doing its job. Point A to point B. Not “Looking for edge cases.” Edge cases can always be found if you're looking.

End of the day - Cupertino Supercharger to Capitola via HWY-17:

This drive always sucks after 4PM because HWY-1 (or PCH, or The 1… whatever you wanna call it) ALWAYS has stop and go traffic from 4pm to 6pm between Santa Cruz and Capitola. Its 30 minutes to go 7 miles. When there’s zero traffic, San Jose to Capitola takes 35 minutes.

So Dhalgren rerouted me to take Summit Dr, which is this really awesome 2 lane road through the mountains, that takes about 45 minutes, compared the the hour it would take if I took just the 17 and the 1.

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THIS is a challenge, and an edge case. It doesnt show well on the map, but its WINDY. Production AP slows to 15-20MPH for most of the curves, which are constant, despite the speed limit being 40. Every turn has yellow speed suggestion signs of 25mph or 30mph. Every turn is a blind turn, there’s no shoulder on either side for the majority of it, and its about 15 miles long.

FSD took EVERY, SINGLE, TURN at the speed limit, or 10mph over. Never crossed over the yellow line, never braked harshly, and was a Fracking dream. It was like riding a rollercoaster. My hands were hovering a centimeter over the wheel, and my foot on the brake pedal ready to take over the entire time. Dhalgren FLEW, and did it brilliantly.

This to me was the real “Holy Sh*t… FSD really is almost here…” moment.

Thoughts:

Despite all the complaints, all the people who call it “vaporware,” and all the people who have no faith in Elon, FSD IS almost there.

Even though I was waiting patiently to get into the beta, I was shocked at how big of a new batch of testers they were adding. And people with a 93 score got in!? With like 150 miles since opting in!? I truly thought that was a TERRIBLE idea… all it takes is a couple stupid people getting in accidents to pump the brakes on the entire concept of FSD being accepted by the public. But now, I truly believe this version was a good version to spread more widely, to get more and more data from. It’s not perfect, it keeps you on your toes, but it is doing a great job.

I’m not saying its ready for the public. Not by a long shot. I wouldn’t want someone who just bought and picked up their brand new Tesla to get in, peel off the screen protector, and engage FSD with no respect for what they are getting themselves into. It really takes understanding what you car can AND CANT do in the state it is… If they require EVERY single person to drive 1000 miles minimum of using regular AP/NoA before being able to engage FSD, I’d be really happy.

Bottom line is, I couldn’t be happier to finally be a part of the Beta crew, and get to contribute what I can to the process. This is a step forward that only people who own and regularly drive a Tesla can understand. It will get better. We will get there.

If you actually read this whole thing, thank you. Just wanted to share my thoughts and experience today. It was truly eye opening.

Thank you for coming to my TED talk.
What a wonderful share! Really appreciate the detail and the honesty!
 
I am new to the FSD beta and have the car slow down suddenly for no apparent reason, take a left turn into the wrong lane and not slow down enough in curves from 55 to the suggested speed of 45 and appear to go to fast in my neighborhood. I know this is not an easy problem to solve and so I have two questions 1) does the system actually read suggested speed limit signs or working zone speed signs and 2) do yo really think the cameras are sufficient for full FSD?
 

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