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Sub 3 seconds for Model 3 DL
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What do you mean battery capacity?
Are you saying it doesn't matter whether it's a 60kw or 100kw battery for output purposes?
I don't get your point, as said, it's not linear, another 0.3 will not obtained with just 10% more battery, it will probably need a 35% more battery, and from 2.2 to 2.0 probably another 30% ( on top of the 35% ) etc etc etc
Of course you can half the weight, this will be a huge factor, but it's not going to happend on the model s so easily
andrerodpt
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Interesting. I didn't know it would be so low.
All that torque from 0 to absolutely 100% in an instant should have its toll on the tires.
I'm assuming Tesla's have some sort of launch control, right? Otherwise, with the "right" conditions you could burnout from all 4's at once.
I have a feeling Tesla is in an uncharted territory, right now. They are on a verge to create a downright dangerous car, not suitable for everyone. And even if you have the grip, just imagine how uncomfortable would be the G's (granted it's for a couple of seconds) for a 2' 0-60 acceleration.
When I test drove a P85D, just the "passing acceleration" was eye opening. I kept telling in advance when I would floor it to my wife. And even then, she wasn't happy.
(Btw: I was ecstatic)
The Model 3 battery area is 83.5% of the Model S, based on my quick calculations of both vehicles' wheelbase x width dimensions, so I see no reason to have an 80kWh battery or even 90kWh with the new 2170 cells
Jbailey
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Could be....30-40K or so less than the equivalent model P100 D model S.
I anticipate the model 3 top of the line will be 100-110K with premium stereo, wheels paint etc, and I'm anticipating 110 K.
I would personally pay 100-110K for a Model 3 with model s P100D performance, and i am hoping they can pull it off. My family has 3 reserved. I'll shoot for the top of the line on mine and my son and son in law will probably go for near base models. I'm hoping the model 3 will have the price and performance range for all of us.
I anticipate the model 3 top of the line will be 100-110K with premium stereo, wheels paint etc, and I'm anticipating 110 K.
I would personally pay 100-110K for a Model 3 with model s P100D performance, and i am hoping they can pull it off. My family has 3 reserved. I'll shoot for the top of the line on mine and my son and son in law will probably go for near base models. I'm hoping the model 3 will have the price and performance range for all of us.
So you really think a 35k car can become 110k? I don't think that's at all possible. No model of any car made with options is 3X the base price. I can't see the M3 selling for more then 80k. Even at 80k that's very high.
The G's shouldn't be overwhelming, certainly not enough to be uncomfortable or make anyone pass out. The Top Thrill Dragster hits 0 - 60 in 1.2 seconds and maxes out at 2 G's and it isn't bad at all - makes your eyes water a bit though. Just How Quick are Roller Coasters? - Feature
I think the biggest problem will be people not expecting it and being surprised and possible losing control.
andrerodpt
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Using the same method of calculation, assuming a 109ft for 60-0 braking distance (Tesla Model S Reviews and Rating - Motor Trend) for the MS P90DL, we get a 2,47' for 0-60 acceleration.
Assuming also that the braking distance is slightly worse on the P100DL (heavier), I must assume that the 2,5' for 0-60 is theoretically constrained by the tires.
Unless the P100DL gets some stickier tires, in theory it won't get below 2,5'.
Am I thinking wrong?
JeffK
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I'm saying that if cooling is adequate you can you can take even a 40 kWh capacity battery and get out 1000-1500 kW of power (see Zombie 222 which can currently do a sub 2 second 0-60mph). He's upgraded the battery but it's not about capacity, it's about power output.
The max a Tesla can currently handle AFAIK is 1500A * 400V = 600 kW
Jbailey
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100k for a 2.5 s 0-60 mph car?...sign me up. I can't afford the 4.7 million dollar Laferrari alternative without selling a few needed organs. If it is only 80k, it will be back ordered to infinity
Time will tell
andrerodpt
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But when you do it right (think EV), you won't need to spend that amount to access that performance. Tesla or a future competitor will do it quite cheaper than that.
JohnSnowNW
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The difference between the base 60 and the base 100D (which includes ludicrous) is a factor of 2.06.
M3: 35,000 x 2.06 = $72k
You could get to ~$90k by ticking all the options...but you don't need to pay that to get the performance you're interested in.
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Garlan Garner
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No way. The M≡ will be cheaper than that. Efficiency and a fully automated assembly process will care for that. Unlike the MS and MX, the M≡ production will be totally automated. Even more importantly - Tesla won't be buying batteries for it - they will be making them about 120 miles away.
I'm not sure what you mean.
Do you mean that it could be a 100kW battery with the 2170 cells?
JeffK
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the P90DL was only ever putting out a little less than 500 kW (the newer models a little more than 500kW the older ones were around 450kW) but the system should theoretically be capable of 600 kW.
That or it's no longer a 400V battery or they're pushing more current (more than 1500A) through the inconel contactor. If more current is allowed then it's possible to go even quicker.
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