neroden
Model S Owner and Frustrated Tesla Fan
OT, but could you start a thread on that safety issue?NO change. They did not even bother to fix the safety issue I spent 45 minutes on the phone reporting from 2019.24.1
No surprise there.
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OT, but could you start a thread on that safety issue?NO change. They did not even bother to fix the safety issue I spent 45 minutes on the phone reporting from 2019.24.1
No surprise there.
I have a arbitration hearing date of 7 Aug. I also have an initial response from tesla managing counsel, product liability at tesla, maintaining all is well and that range calculation is complex and that I have a “potential misunderstanding “.
Does anyone have a copy of the battery warranty that was in place in November 2014?
Tesla counsel’s exhibit of the warranty provided in their response includes the Model 3.
Tesla's lawyers are flat out incompetent.Exactly but it seems like they're trying to make a convoluted argument to obfuscate or hide the fact that they are simply not charging to existing capacity in order to avoid having to argue WHY they aren't charging to existing capacity. If not fully charging point is stipulated, then they have to disclose why they software limited capacity. Did they do it to promote longevity? Did they do it for safety?
If they answer longevity, which is what they've told customers, then they're acknowledging that they have restricted full charge access to prevent FUTURE degradation and that the reduction is NOT really current degradation.
If they answer safety then they have to explain that they're limiting charging in order to prevent battery fires (aka Note 7) which is still not normal degradation and they have to admit that the batteries might catch fire even if they are less likely to do so on a lower SOC. If I were them I'd not want to even start down that road.
Of course their lawyers are ABSOLUTELY monitoring this thread which means their legal roadmap will influenced by what's discussed here which gives them a huge advantage.
The screen shots we're posting are of static voltage at each SOC, NOT while charging.
According to this YouTube 'test' it is exactly 3.0 V Average (Matches your experience, you have 388,57 V which is 3.006V per cell:I don’t know exactly what Vmin corresponds to but I have a TM-Spy screenshot from when my battery was at 0% and I coasted into a Supercharger parking lot.
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2017 100DWhat year is your car and current mileage ?
What's your cell voltage at 100% or 90% as displayed on your IC? i.e. I ask that so we can see that this is software limited capacity rather than actual degradation.
NO change. They did not even bother to fix the safety issue I spent 45 minutes on the phone reporting from 2019.24.1
No surprise there.
what was your car charging to prior to the update and after?2017 100D
70000 km so far
If it was me proving my case I would stick to using voltage and kwh data whenever possible. It's too easy for tesla to make "range" sound subjective
Feb 2013 Warranty attached. Dunno if they changed it between then and Nov 2014, but you can definitely point out that Tesla counsel's exhibit is less likely to be accurate than this one.
Unfortunately, they literally exclude all damage caused by "usage of the battery".
So, you say you are 11 miles degraded.Since I don't yet have the offending change I still have all of my range(minus my 11 miles of "normal" "natural" degradation). I'm assuming that I'm going to be significantly impacted when I eventually have v9 forced on me for whatever reason so I'm getting all my data ducks in a row from Teslafi and CANBUS scans.
I just got on the waiting list for a C8. Going to do Museum Delivery this time in Bowling Green.
Is there an easy way to establish max charge voltage? I have hunted for TM Spy et al on the UK App Store, with zero success. Do I need a CAN BUS reader of some sort or is there an alternative way. I would love to get the reading as it’s something of a silver bullet.THIS is why we need to talk about capacity in kWh AND max charge voltage.
You an me seem to be the only two users who have claimed that Tesla changed the Wh/mi rating on our car (mine went from 311 to 285 on X75)...this is BIG as it further reduces the range from the rated range shown on display. The stupid part is they left the rated Wh/mi on the consumption graph (311) while using 285 for the trip planner...So, you say you are 11 miles degraded.
Does that mean your full rated range is 254 (down from 265)?
If so, then you are actually degraded by more because of their change to 276 Wh/mi.
The 265 was based on 295 Wh/mi (78.1 kWh usable)
Your displayed 254 is at 276 Wh/mi (70.1 kWh usable)
So 70.1 kWh / 295 Wh/mi = 237 miles using the same rating method.
265-238 = 27 miles actual degradation (10%)
THIS is why we need to talk about capacity in kWh AND max charge voltage.
You an me seem to be the only two users who have claimed that Tesla changed the Wh/mi rating on our car (mine went from 311 to 285 on X75)...this is BIG as it further reduces the range or the car from the indicated rated. The stupid part is they left the rated Wh/mi on the consumption graph (311) while using 285 for the trip planner.
I especially like the guidance of charging to something less than 100% to reduce the impact of the reduction in range..
Thank you. Alas my penury S70 can’t even spell Ludicrous far less read it. Indeed it doesn’t even have Insane. Such things are for its bigger brothers. So I shall have to seek another method.It's all on Can. With root you can even use Tesla's built in Ludicrous monitor on the IC to see voltage (You don't need to enable Ludicrous to only use the menu option).
Thank you. Alas my penury S70 can’t even spell Ludicrous far less read it. Indeed it doesn’t even have Insane. Such things are for its bigger brothers. So that’s not much use for me.
Is there an easy way to establish max charge voltage? I have hunted for TM Spy et al on the UK App Store, with zero success. Do I need a CAN BUS reader of some sort or is there an alternative way. I would love to get the reading as it’s something of a silver bullet.
I have data going back to Feb 2019 that shows the 276 multiplier used.It's all on Can. With root you can even use Tesla's built in Ludicrous monitor on the IC to see voltage (You don't need to enable Ludicrous to only use the menu option). Tesla has been trying to deny "third party" apps that show their voltage has been capped so they'll probably claim their own data is invalid for some reason, too, but more proof is better and since their legal representation sounds fairly incompetent presenting third party and getting their typical canned response sets them up when they can't say the same about their own official software readings verifying the third party readers.
I haven't seen it myself, I'm still 295 - but for users that were manipulated like that it could be dieselgate trouble because since that number comes from the EPA it's not something Tesla can arbitrarily change whenever they want to hide their wrongdoing.