DJRas
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Is there anybody affected in the Chicago area?
I have a call in the morning with the Chicago Sun Times.
I have a call in the morning with the Chicago Sun Times.
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Wiki Sudden Loss Of Range With 2019.16.x Software
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Blu Zap
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We appreciate you getting all the press we can on this issue. Thanks.
Has anyone tested if the 0-60 has changed from this?
I have a model 3 awd and I am in the same boat have lost about 6%. It’s a 2018 I think August build.
I have a model 3 awd and I am in the same boat have lost about 6%. It’s a 2018 I think August build.
Blu Zap
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Same lake, different boat. Check out Bjorn's YouTube video on the Model 3 issue.
Ferrycraigs
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My browser has stopped completely. It has lost the Address Bar which includes favourites and forwards and backwards. Seems I’m stuck with the last site I visited, forever.I would HOPE that since our browsers have not worked right since V9, that at least they could fix that. Dunno, since all updates seem to have stopped for me
I must be REAL low on the list now. How DARE I escalate my complaint of 16% instant loss!
Ferrycraigs
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My comment on this video about Capping has now started a thread (thanks Dan K). Potentially more publicity than writing to car magazines.
I do feel a bit guilty about hijacking Bjorn's video, but it is relevant to the Title and I think I’ll get over it.
Ferrycraigs
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Vmax and Vmin just determine the section of the battery made available for charging. I’m not sure if it make a great deal of difference whether Vmin moves up, or Vmax moves down. The net effect is the Useable Capacity is reduced. And the owner is denied an amount they have paid more to use. Ironically if the had raised Vmin rather than reduced Vmax, we might not have known how they did it.
Ferrycraigs
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Several hundred posts ago, on here, there was a post from Germany where a customer had inadvertently been given what was believed to have been a script from Tesla to Service Centres giving a 'Line to Take' with customers that were complaining about battery capping. There was some debate about its authenticity due to the translation, but it’s still an interesting read and worth reminding people about.
German Statement
The cells have accumulated sufficient wear, mainly through DC charging, but also through regular cycles, therefore charging cells to the same level as when new would result in accelerated cell deterioration (both in terms of capacity retention and performance).
The system has adapted to the state of the cell and gradually adjusted the maximum state of charge of the cells over several weeks to maximise the long-term retention of capacity and performance.
The system can reduce the maximum state of charge of the cells by about 10% compared to the original state of charge.
From there, the cell is operated in an optimal range to maximize long-term retention and performance and to stabilize the range at full charge.
Reassure the customer that adjusting the maximum charge limit is, in most cases, a one-time event and means that the range [does not] continue to slip.
The system implements this proactive precaution to ensure that the cells of the HV battery have years and thousands of kilometers left to counteract accelerated cell wear, which would lead to a loss of capacity and a loss of performance.
This version would tie in nicely with wh057'S statement that there was a problem, but that those cars that were capped had the advantage that the problem had been addressed and whilst not solved, was at least overcome. I find it all very credible.
German Statement
The cells have accumulated sufficient wear, mainly through DC charging, but also through regular cycles, therefore charging cells to the same level as when new would result in accelerated cell deterioration (both in terms of capacity retention and performance).
The system has adapted to the state of the cell and gradually adjusted the maximum state of charge of the cells over several weeks to maximise the long-term retention of capacity and performance.
The system can reduce the maximum state of charge of the cells by about 10% compared to the original state of charge.
From there, the cell is operated in an optimal range to maximize long-term retention and performance and to stabilize the range at full charge.
Reassure the customer that adjusting the maximum charge limit is, in most cases, a one-time event and means that the range [does not] continue to slip.
The system implements this proactive precaution to ensure that the cells of the HV battery have years and thousands of kilometers left to counteract accelerated cell wear, which would lead to a loss of capacity and a loss of performance.
This version would tie in nicely with wh057'S statement that there was a problem, but that those cars that were capped had the advantage that the problem had been addressed and whilst not solved, was at least overcome. I find it all very credible.
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I am in the Chicagoland area. If you are referring to rust on a M3 than no my paint on my S has held up very well through our winters. If you are referring to charge gate than yes my supercharging is MUCH slower. This is an example of Tesla's best asset, us the early model S owners, becoming those who now say they wouldn't buy another Tesla due to the companies dishonest tactics. This wouldn't be so if they were HONEST and communicated the issue. Instead it seems they have abandoned us for M3 sales.
That was not my experience with my car.
Not the case with my car (built Feb 2013, B battery). About a 4% drop over the first 5.5 years, and then another 4% this year. Still less than the original expectation: 5% the first year, 1% each year thereafter.
Ferrycraigs
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Not with mine (March 16 delivery). It lost a little within a couple of months then very little (4-5%) over the next 3 years. Then 15% after THE download.
Or are you talking about earlier than that, perhaps pre AP? Can’t remember folk talking about it in the early days; it was all about the number of replacement motors.
Ferrycraigs
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Droschke it’s a comment on the YouTube video.
(You May have to copy the link and open in YouTube App)
I know, I've already done that. I was trying to locate yours without going through hundreds of others. A search phrase would be helpful. Help me out please.
Thanks.
Just to set expectations for how not fast the NHTSA moves: Hyundai, Kia earmark $760 million to settle U.S. lawsuits over engine fires
So 2 years later and they are still investigating after thousands of fires and more than 100 injuries.
So 2 years later and they are still investigating after thousands of fires and more than 100 injuries.
Watch @7:28,
“So, I guess the next step is I’ll ask Tesla if there is something wrong”.
ROFL … Is he reading this thread? I guess not.
It wasn't mine either. I lost 4 in the first year, 3 more in the next 6 years. 7 miles of degradation was perfectly fine and expected.
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