Not to disagree, but I've not been convinced of the validity of this 'small percentage' claim. We do not know what the % is and what this percentage is of?
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Wiki Sudden Loss Of Range With 2019.16.x Software
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Not to disagree, but I've not been convinced of the validity of this 'small percentage' claim. We do not know what the % is and what this percentage is of?
I turned off wifi -- so I didn't get this "update". Tesla pushed it. Keeps bugging me with 1 press to avoid updating. But now today -- I have to click through two different prompts each time I drive to NOT update.....
I think this means -- we want to take away more features -- so we can ensure your battery lasts even longer/improves our diagnostics (as we have to do less).
It literally gets worse and worse. The recent software significantly reduced regen power when the battery is cold. I did some data logging before and after the recent software update (2019.40.x). Very noticeable in normal driving and the data shows it clearly as well.
For the last 4 years my car has been crippled, reduced and downgraded with every software update. This is unprecedented in the car industry. How on earth Tesla thinks they can just mess with our cars this way.
For the last 4 years my car has been crippled, reduced and downgraded with every software update. This is unprecedented in the car industry. How on earth Tesla thinks they can just mess with our cars this way.
Er, what? My AP1 S on 2019.40.2.3 still has the dashed yellow lines on the power meter. Yesterday I went for a drive after being parked, unplugged, for 2 days in sub-freezing weather (lows 0F, highs 22F). The dashed yellow lines clearly showed a 75kW power limit with 0 regen.
I disagree, it is the old battery chemistry that is the issue, Tesla has painted themselves in a corner. There are no new 40,60,70,75,85 and 90 packs. Only refurbished packs with the old battery chemistry. I would think Tesla would be forced to make new battery packs for those that are effected.
They wouldn't be widening the net with this latest update if the number wasn't going to keep increasing
Remember Wk057 claimed it was EVERY Model S/X up to (I think) the 75kwh. When we were backing him into a corner to get his to share info he let it slip that it was a safety problem, and when we kept pressing on his "less than 100 left to force-update-without-permission" he again let it slip that it was every battery ever made for certain capacities at least.
Todd Burch
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How is it legal to change a feature so drastically and not even mention it or forwarn those who are about to install???....
How would you know? The whole capping is the result of fire incidents.
Great question and a perfect example of how the company views its customer base these days. It's a very sad picture of how things came to be.
Blu Zap
Grinning member
Thanks for reminding everyone. This thread is so long we loose site of previous points. I filed the complaint with NHTSA a couple of months ago. Everyone here should do the same now.
I have written earlier that the curve has been raised by 3C.
And you can't use the Max that the BMS is reporting. Using SMT i can see that regen. gives a max of 60-65kW
AQQU
Member
Maybe yet another possible approach for a lawyer to grab Tesla by the balls - using a cyber law defense-line?
Do you mean literally continuously as 24/7?
Is there any point then to charge to high Soc, if car then depletes it by cooling? What is the limit for this continuous cooling?
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Ferrycraigs
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I agree we don’t know, I use it merely as a catch all term. I use it to describe those of us that have had their batteries capped. In the UK very broad brush research indicated out of around 5000 owners on one owners' forum, around 30-40 people indicated they were affected by battery capping. So it would suggest batterygate % to be +/- 1% of the whole fleet. The % figure for the pre facelift fleet is obviously going to be larger, but I wouldn’t like to put a figure on it. Does anyone know the ratio of pre facelift to post facelift S/X fleet?
I don’t think it’s inaccurate to describe us as a small %. I’m sure it is a small %. That does not make it a small number. It has been suggested the worldwide numbers are in the low thousands. I think that’s entirely possible.
Ferrycraigs
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The point I was trying to make is I don’t class the old tech as completely flawed tech. Not all old tech batteries have been capped. Only a very few. So the majority of old tech batteries continue to operate as designed (for the moment). But I do agree, of the batteries affected, they all contain the old tech cells. I also agree getting a refurbished old tech pack is no guarantee. But if the % of old tech cars affected is a small %, 10%? 15%? (I don’t know the figure so I am just wet finger in the air speculating here) but if they are in that ball park range, then surely that suggests that a refurbished pack has a 85%-90% chance of being just fine.
Whether Tesla even has a supply of old tech batteries is a different issue. I don’t have the answer. I doubt for instance they have a supply of the pre Silicon cells, although the newer silicon cells also had their own problems and when I questioned a Ranger about them his impression was they were not as good as the old Gen 1 cells. Also if Tesla now only have 100 kWh batteries, that is not a solution for us, as they are not a straight swap item. So I agree they may have to build from new. Perhaps that is why they are wriggling so hard?
Ferrycraigs
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Must have missed that one. That changes things. I shall have to locate it. It’s important.
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Ferrycraigs
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It is probably correct that Tesla went looking for Dendrites because of the fires. They didn’t find any (many) but did find Condition Z, which resulted in battery capping. So whilst it may be correct to say fires started the whole process, I find it risks being misunderstood to say Capping is a result of fires as the inference is capping has been done to avoid fires. That is not a view I have ever held.
That is the proper procedure for filing a complaint with the NHTSB.
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