all of a sudden, and still on V8.
whoops, neglected the point that based on being v8, may be some condition is handled already and just modified 2019.16 onwards.
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all of a sudden, and still on V8.
Because entire bricks don't just die as others have previously said.I notice @Dave EV doesn't seem to like hearing about the brick failure for some reason. Why does this bother you, that you keep marking disagree on it?
It seems you just don't want to believe it, but I've been discussing this stuff with long time Model S owners since about 2013, and this is exactly what has happened to several of them. So it's fact.Because entire bricks don't just die as others have previously said.
If a brick died, the whole car would die.
When a car loses 20 miles overnight, the BMS has decided to start limiting cell voltage for some reason (detected one of the conditions that wk075 has talked about), not that a brick has died.
This is not a behavior that happened pre 2019.16.1. It might be that Tesla has snuck a battery firmware only revision onto those with older Software.No, you're not getting it. I am talking about something entirely different. This is not "initial range drop". I'm talking about cars that are years old, stable rated miles, and all of a sudden, one day out of nowhere, it's about 25 rated miles less instantly. And when taken to the service center, they test the battery and confirm that one of the bricks inside it has died, and the battery needs to be replaced while they send it in to California to get it fixed. This had happened several times, but I am talking about on the S and X, this is a possibility. With the redesigning of the packs for the 3 and Y, that may not even be applicable anymore--don't know.
What version of 8 are you on?Hmph - I just lost ~20 miles all of a sudden, and still on V8. So relevant to recent posts, but OT for this thread.
Im willing to bet Tesla updated your battery firmware OTA as a courtesy to themselves, and left the rest on 2018.34.8.1 (2018.34)
Im willing to bet Tesla updated your battery firmware OTA as a courtesy to themselves, and left the rest on 2018.34.
they test the battery and confirm that one of the bricks inside it has died, and the battery needs to be replaced while they send it in to California to get it fixed.
Im willing to bet Tesla updated your battery firmware OTA as a courtesy to themselves, and left the rest on 2018.34.
I don't know about that. A friend of a friend is a local Tesla tech, and after asking to check something in the logs a while ago, the report back was that my VIN wasn't in the system any more. I thought it might have to do with the same thing that lost my connectivity; it might work both ways?Im willing to bet Tesla updated your battery firmware OTA as a courtesy to themselves, and left the rest on 2018.34.
Of course it’s possible, as I have seen it firsthand on my car, and it’s mentioned in the lawsuit.If that is possible (clandestine ota updates) then that would add a new dimension to Tesla's 'behavior'. Without SMT data or similar it is hard to say.
Anything is possible, but you will know if it isn’t cell limiting, because the pack will decline rapidly(keep losing range). With cell limiting, you will be stuck with that same range loss for a long time.I don't know about that. A friend of a friend is a local Tesla tech, and after asking to check something in the logs a while ago, the report back was that my VIN wasn't in the system any more. I thought it might have to do with the same thing that lost my connectivity; it might work both ways?
I might be able to test your theory by trying to supercharge this weekend and compare the rate.
By the way, as long as Tesla is a super user on your system, they can access it, and do as they please. The burden of proof is on you.
IF (that is a huge IF) Tesla can change the BMS without upgrading the rest of the software, that means the inverse should also be true: that the UI could be rolled back to v8 if someone had the skills to custom compile the software. Probably at the expense of the new features introduced in the last two years.Im willing to bet Tesla updated your battery firmware OTA as a courtesy to themselves, and left the rest on 2018.34.
Of course it’s possible, as I have seen it firsthand on my car, and it’s mentioned in the lawsuit.
It names "VIOLATION OF THE COMPUTER FRAUD AND ABUSE ACT(18 U.S.C. §1030 et seq.)" and "TRESPASS TO CHATTELS" which is hacking without permission. This covers everything they did, including clandestine BMS changes.The lawsuit centers around the user visible OTA software updates.
It names "VIOLATION OF THE COMPUTER FRAUD AND ABUSE ACT(18 U.S.C. §1030 et seq.)" and "TRESPASS TO CHATTELS" which is hacking without permission. This covers everything they did, including clandestine BMS changes.
I arrived at the supercharger with around 50 miles remaining. Saw 118kw for a moment, then the usual drop to about 105kw. Charge rate was still 65kw at 50% when I left. No BMS update for me.I might be able to test your theory by trying to supercharge this weekend and compare the rate.